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Star Wars Episode VII spoiler discussion thread (enter at your own discretion)
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I'll take a look at this tomorrow morning breh, does the video have a credible source for the spoilers?http://makingstarwars.net/2015/05/s...w-black-doing-hard-time-and-the-great-escape/
SPOILERS! Please don’t reveal this information to anyone not looking for it! That means watch what you say as to not accidentally spoil someone that doesn’t want to be spoiled!
Happy May the 4th, scoundrels! (Okay, this was going to go out tomorrow, but let’s get it out today because it is May the 4th eve and you should get to open one present on May the 4th eve.)
In Star Wars: The Force Awakens things really move. Once the movie gets going it doesn’t slow down. It makes it easy to focus on the constant action occurring in the film. In the shuffle of talking about various components of this film, some important but minor character-building moments get forgotten about. This one is one I have wanted to come back to for a long time.
Rey ends up being captured and interrogated by Kylo Ren. I’m going to set this up as well as I can as to not confuse anyone about where this takes place.
If you recall, Han Solo, Chewbacca, Rey, Finn, and BB-8 head for the green planet (that everyone that sees it thinks is Yavin IV). Rey is overcome by the beauty of this green world after having resided on the desolate Jakku for a very long time. Rey does not have a beautiful time on the green world though.
After they meet “Rose” in a pub, they head to the underground of the pub. I believe Korr Sella, an emissary for Leia, is also at the pub to speak to “Rose,” probably about what Poe Dameron encountered on Jakku. However, “Rose” is already in the catacombs below the pub inducing a vision of the past for the band of heroes. “Rose” believes she knows why the lightsaber everyone is after came to Rey but Rey doesn’t want it and she runs from the pub.
Above the green planet, “Uber” is in communication with Kylo Ren and the “The General.” “Uber” orders “The Catapult” weapon to be used against Han Solo, Rose, and the rest of the heroes. Kylo is apprehensive and “Uber” orders him not to “be so sentimental.” Down on the surface, Rey looks back to see a scene of destruction unfold before her. The weapon is fired, killing Kor Sella, taking out a “castle,” “the tunnel of love,” and the pub.
The Resistance witnesses Kor Sella’s death and springs into action. This is where we believe we will see Admiral Ackbar, very old, in a new, slightly green outfit. He is part of Leia’s “staff.” Note: Tim Roose canceled convention appearances around this time which may mean he’s back on Ackbar puppetry.
INTERIOR DAY RESISTANCE BASE – MAP ROOM Leia and staff react to Tunnel of Love unhappy ending
Thankfully the heroes are in the catacombs below the pub and survive the assault after suffering through some shaking and rumbling. They head through tunnels where they meet some Stormtrooper resistance and “Rose” uses her “special powers” to dispatch them. I assume this means she uses the Force to slam them against a wall or something unless she Jedi Mind Tricks them.
When the heroes get outside of the tunnels, things looks really dire for them. But a “black tie makes all the difference.” We believe this is when Poe Dameron returns, either with a fixed TIE he crashed back on Jakku or in the black X-wing without an explanation as far as we know. The point is, it seems Poe returns to save the day using his piloting skills.
Rey saw the First Order invade the green planet and also witnessed the destruction of the buildings by the super weapon. She’s spotted by First Order forces very quickly. Kylo Ren and his troops (who are on their way to survey the damage from the weapon) pursue Rey and capture her. Finn witnesses the capture from afar but can’t save her. BB-8 hides and evades capture too and the heroes meet up with Leia, the droids, and head for the Resistance base without Rey. (So if you’re wondering, Rey doesn’t meet Leia at this point in the film.)
Rey is then taken to the First Order Castle on the snow planet and imprisoned. Rey is escorted to her interrogation by Captain Phasma. We have reason to believe Kylo might not be in his armor for this sequence. (For some scenes, Kylo doesn’t wear his armor but instead wears the same black uniform “The General” wears with his hair slicked back, a little long, just above the shoulders).
Kylo uses his “powers” during his interrogation of Rey. Rey reverses this “probe” from Kylo as she’s mentally stronger than him or just more powerful in the Force. She then tells him:
“You’ll never be as powerful as Darth Vader.”
She apparently has learned something about Kylo instead of Kylo learning something about her during this metaphysical connection they have formed. But it isn’t a total win for Rey as Kylo does figure out he doesn’t need the lightsaber to carry out his goals and there is another way. (Note: the season premiere of Star Wars Rebels has a sequence that I believe is reminiscent of this between Ahsoka and Darth Vader.) Kylo then leaves to report to “Uber” about Rey and BB-8.
INTERIOR DAY FIRST ORDER CASTLE – DUNGEON Kylo Ren Tries to learn all he can from Kira. She turns the tables.
INTERIOR DAY FIRST ORDER CASTLE – CORRIDOR #1 Kylo Ren pauses outside the dungeon, flustered.
Shortly after this, Rey uses her “powers” to trick her Stormtrooper guards into leaving her unattended. We then see Rey escape via the ventilation system of the First Order Castle. She meets up with Finn, Han, and Chewbacca after they crash in the woods. She is touched the crew came back for her. I’m not sure if this is a comedic coincidence and Finn accepts credit for going back for her when it was just a coincidence or if she was part of the plan for Han Solo the whole time.
As the assault on the castle moves forward we are treated to a space and atmospheric battle that ends up relying on some good old fashioned explosives by Han and Chewbacca.
So that’s the long story about the short story regarding the time Rey was imprisoned by the First Order on the snow planet. I do wonder if the connection between Rey and Ren might have more consequences as the films move forward. Sources that have seen Ren without his mask on say he looks very upset. I wonder if he learns something about their past from her that won’t be touched in this film but addressed later? Then again, the interrogation might not be that important. We already know Kylo is enamored with Darth Vader and very early on we see the melted helmet in his “Padded Room.” So what is learned? She knows his secret. He learns he doesn’t need the saber, and that there is another way. I can’t wait to see this sequence (and all the ones before and after it, of course).
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bump cause the main thread starting to look mad spolierish
nomoreneveragain
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Has this Jar Jar theory been debunked. It legit has my mind blown
Probably the biggest spoilers yet, from the soundtrack. So don't read if you don't want to know something more final than the MSW leaks. Looks like the MSW stuff is somewhat accurate, but not totally. This was briefly up on Amazon in a couple of countries and taken down immediately
- So Rey doesn't save Finn, Luke saves them all
- Luke talking to Rey like Obi Wan to Luke.
- Leia using the force
- Finn gonna be a Jedi
- Main Title and the Attack on the Jakku Village
- The title crawl covers a bulk of the exposition. Poe meets Tekka on Jakku, who reveals that he has purchased the Millennium Falcon for the purposes of finding its old pilot. Tekka gives him the lightsaber, and BB-8 takes the lightsaber and scurries off. The village is destroyed by Phasma and Kylo, Poe is apprehended for questioning, and Finn starts questioning the First Order himself.
- The Scavenger
- The story cuts to Rey's scavenging exploits on the following day. We basically see how lonely her life is and so on. There's probably a little action scene here where we find out that Rey is a girl after she's been covered up in desert wear.
- I Can Fly Anything
- Kylo's shuttle reaches the Star Destroyer, where he interrogates Poe, and later communes with Snoke (along with possibly Hux and Captain Phasma). Finn witnesses this and defects, staging a breakout with Poe using a special TIE fighter to save the both of them. Hux orders the Star Destroyer to fire upon the TIE, causing it to crash-land. Poe and Finn are separated as the latter ditches his Stormtrooper armor.
- Rey Meets BB-8
- BB-8 meets Rey, and they go on to a marketplace to meet Unkar Plutt. She witnesses a ship leaving the planet at this point.
- Follow Me
- Finn meets Rey and BB-8, and for whatever reason they all team up. Phasma orders the TIE squadron to apprehend or kill the deserter, leading to an assault on the marketplace.
- Rey’s Theme
- Rey takes control of the Millennium Falcon - originally intended for Poe to pilot - while Finn activates the guns of the ship. They fly through the ship graveyard to evade the TIEs and hit lightspeed. Afterward, Rey and Finn properly introduce themselves to one another.
- The Falcon
- The crew find the Millennium Falcon set on autopilot to specific co-ordinates installed by Tekka, leading to a freighter. Han and Chewie are glad to be reunited with their ship, but they are not so happy to find Poe and Rey. BB-8 transmits data to Poe and the Resistance.
- That Girl with the Staff
- The story cuts between the Resistance and the First Order. Poe somehow leaves Jakku and contacts Leia (who is on Hosnian Prime) about the people who ended up taking BB-8 and sets co-ordinates to find them. Phasma learns of Rey's presence and calls upon a spy network to deal with her. Kylo discusses pressing matters with Snoke.
- The Rathtars
- The shenanigans on the freighter occur. Chewie is slightly wounded on his arm, but he manages to blow something up long enough to cover their escape. Han, Chewie, Finn, Rey, and BB-8 bond over the experience. The title refers to the alien cargo that Han and Chewie were shipping.
- Finn’s Confession
- Finn reveals his checkered past. When Rey asks Han about the past, he reveals that he's had his own demons to contend with. BB-8 reveals that he has the lightsaber to Han, and he helps Finn and Rey learn about the Force. They then set coordinates to Takodana so Han can reunite with Maz, who knows more about the object.
- Maz’s Counsel
- Han gives Rey a blaster as the team goes to Maz's castle. When Rey gets bullied by a local alien, Chewie pulls his arm out of his socket. Having attracted enough attention to themselves, Maz calls Han by name and they discuss pressing matters. The flashback ensues when Maz utilizes psychometry on the lightsaber. Rey learns that she is Force-sensitive, and while Maz tries to convince Rey to learn the ways of the Jedi, she is distraught, so she leaves the castle to get some fresh air and reflect. BB-8 keeps an eye on her, though Finn keeps the lightsaber.
- The Starkiller
- Things cut back to the First Order. Hux tests Starkiller Base's weapon successfully on an unpopulated area to avoid drawing the attention of the New Republic or the Resistance. Kylo observes the weapons test from his Star Destroyer declares that he will resolve some unfinished business. A First Order spy in Maz's place has sold her out and the First Order is at their doorstep.
- Kylo Ren Arrives at the Battle
- Rey discovers, to her horror, that the First Order has arrived, and the assault on the castle begins. Finn finds that using a lightsaber is second nature to him as he makes good use of Anakin's old weapon, and Han, Chewie, and Maz (along with others) do their best to repel the First Order. However, they are overwhelmed when Phasma and Kylo approach and make short work of their enemies. Phasma's forces surround the survivors and they are rounded up to be arrested.
- The Abduction
- Rey fights off a few Stormtroopers on her own, but she finds herself unable to do anything against Kylo. Kylo kidnaps her once she is at his mercy, and takes her aboard his shuttle along with BB-8. Luckily for Han, Chewie, Finn, and Maz, the cavalry arrives when Poe and a squad of X-wings demolish the First Order forces on Takodana, though Phasma and Kylo escape.
- Han and Leia
- The Resistance leads the stragglers back to a hidden base on D'Qar, although this also alerts the First Order to their presence. Upon landing, Han and Leia embrace and Finn is bewildered to learn of Poe's survival. Maz hands Leia the lightsaber and gives her an update on the current situation. C-3PO is also present. Leia uses the lightsaber to contact Luke by means of her own Force abilities, and she tells him to contact Rey.
- March of the Resistance
- The Resistance forces begin to plan and mobilize for battle as plans are laid out for the beginning of a new war. Finn, Han, and Chewie are given a short amount of time to enact a rescue mission to save Rey before the assault begins. Han and Leia have a meaningful discussion before the mission is enacted.
- Snoke
- The Supreme Leader of the First Order addresses his army stationed on Starkiller Base, which is fired once again. Kylo Ren tries to tempt Rey with the Dark Side, but he fails. Luke uses telepathy to speak with Rey while she is confinement, leading her to reach out with the Force and begin her escape.
- On the Inside
- The Millennium Falcon crash-lands on Starkiller Base. Finn, Han, and Chewie have about half a day to rescue Rey. While they carry out the rescue operation, Rey organizes her own escape and reclaims BB-8. Unbeknownst to them all, Kylo knows about the Millennium Falcon's landing and he visits its interior personally, taking his mask off.
- Torn Apart
- Everyone is reunited, but they all run into Kylo, who blocks their escape. Han confronts Kylo about what happened between his son, Leia, and Snoke, and while Kylo expresses some regret, he attacks Han in a fit of rage. Han manages to hold off Kylo long enough for the others to escape to the Millennium Falcon. The others prepare the ship, but they aren't able to get it ready in time for Kylo to arrive.
- The Ways of the Force
- Kylo, full of anger, attacks. Finn takes up the lightsaber and attempts to hold him off, but he is wounded in the battle. Rey then takes up his weapon and fights Kylo, but she is similarly defeated by him. Kylo approaches them both as she tries to keep Finn safe, but Luke, enraged at what Kylo has done to Han, unleashes the Force upon him from a faraway planet, repelling him from the battlefield. The Millennium Falcon makes its escape and reunites with the Resistance shortly before the assault begins.
- Scherzo for X-Wings
- The Battle Of Starkiller Base. Much of the Resistance forces are defeated in the battle, but Starkiller Base is obliterated and the New Republic is made aware of its presence, meaning that the government will no longer be able to stand idly by as the First Order continues its assault. While the Resistance is in tatters, the survivors will soon be supported by the New Republic's forces, which will lead the battle against the First Order.
- Farewell and the Trip
- The Resistance makes plans to abandon the base on D'Qar. Luke has sent R2-D2 to the base in order to reveal his presence on Devaron, but he requests that Rey travels there in order to keep the attention of the First Order away. Maz agrees to train Finn in order to rebuild the Jedi Order in earnest. Chewie and R2-D2 accompany Rey to Devaron, but not before giving a fond farewell to Rey's newfound allies.
- The Jedi Steps and Finale
- Rey lands on Devaron, meeting with Luke Skywalker in person as they begin her Jedi training in earnest. Credits roll.
- So Rey doesn't save Finn, Luke saves them all
- Luke talking to Rey like Obi Wan to Luke.
- Leia using the force
- Finn gonna be a Jedi