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Finale was cool, while I was watching the episode I had no idea who Stacey Adams was IRL, when I found out after the episode ended had me like :ohhh:

and the 16 year old (Andira sp?) girl and her gay zombie boyfriend. They should have killed them off once Tig Notaro joined that department. :manny:

The graphics were pretty nice for this too. That helped alot.
I thought I was the only one who didn't like those characters :russ: Her gender fluid boyfriend annoyed the hell out of me :mjlol:
 

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I've been meaning to get caught up with this show (I tapped out halfway through season two), but I just don't want to...

Prodigy got the crown for the best Star Trek series of the Paramount+ era. :whoo:
 

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After two and a half years, I finally finished Discovery season two. :francis: I pretty much only did it because I wanted to start Strange New Worlds and I knew some of the storylines would carry over.

So the whole Red Angel plot was just there to give them an excuse to write Discovery's existence out of the timeline and explain why Spock never mentions having a sister as well as why Discovery's tech is more advanced than the rest of Trek's? :why:

This show is so goddamn stupid. :snoop:
 

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After two and a half years, I finally finished Discovery season two. :francis: I pretty much only did it because I wanted to start Strange New Worlds and I knew some of the storylines would carry over.

So the whole Red Angel plot was just there to give them an excuse to write Discovery's existence out of the timeline and explain why Spock never mentions having a sister as well as why Discovery's tech is more advanced than the rest of Trek's? :why:

This show is so goddamn stupid. :snoop:
The fourth season is much better,
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I went ahead and binged seasons three and four.

While I understand the belief that seasons three and four are much better than the first two (really only season four, as season three is an improvement but still pretty weak overall), I still have many, many problems with the writing on this show. I definitely agree that moving the show into the future was a good idea. Trying to make this show a prequel to TOS was a mistake, and the 'Burn' arc of season three is much better than the season-long arcs of the first two seasons. But I still have a lot of problems with how the characters are written:

When Discovery finally makes it to the future, Burnham insists on Saru being captain without so much as a discussion... and then immediately starts undermining him. :francis: Saru repeatedly tells her that she can't just do whatever she wants because they're in a new time with a Federation that is a shell of its former self, and Starfleet doesn't trust them because they're all supposed to be dead... but she doesn't listen.

It gets to the point where Saru finally has to demote her as his first officer, and is damn near crying like a simp whose woman won't stop cheating on him: "After everything we've been through together, you still haven't changed. :mjcry:" And when Burnham gets demoted, she's like :yeshrug:. They make Tilly acting first officer, but Burnham just goes along like business as usual.

The T'kal-En-Ket episode was one of the strongest episodes of season three because it felt like Michael couldn't just 'Burnham' her way into getting what she want. The Ni'Var science counsel, and even her own mother, repeatedly call her on all her shyt, from starting a mutiny, to getting Prime Universe Georgiou killed, to getting stripped of rank, to getting demoted again by Saru. It finally felt like all her shyt was finally catching up to her... except she gets what she wants by the end of the episode anyway. She withdraws her request for the SB-19 data from the science counsel, only to get it directly from the president at the end of the episode. :francis:

I'm usually not one to make these kinds of criticisms, but there is something to be said about them making the most prominent and highest-ranking black woman in the history of Star Trek, and the de facto face of the Paramount+ era of Trek, a black woman who can't listen and can't be led. :francis::mjpls:

And when we get to the finale, we learn that Osyrra wants the Emerald Chain wants to merge with the Federation, and there's some talk about how the Federation would fit with the hyper-capitalist Emerald Chain. This is my single biggest problem with the show: they gloss over plot points that other Trek shows would have spent full episodes on. I get that they only have half the episode count of a TNG or DS9, but that should have been a season-long plot thread, not just brought up in the finale.

Of course they have to sideline Saru in the finale, so that Michael can save the day and kill Osyrra. :francis: And then Saru takes a leave of absence to take care of Su-Kal and personally requests Burnham be made captain of Discovery. This is weird because for one thing, there is no indication that Saru and Michael's relationship--personally or professionally--has repaired enough for all that. Also, Admiral Vance's speech to her at the end just explains everything wrong with Burnham as a character:

"Oh, you don't listen, you disobey direct orders, you constantly butt heads with your superiors... but bygone it, you're always right, so why don't you take that captain's chair? :mjgrin:"

This is how Burnham has been portrayed this whole show: she's does what she wants, but she's always right in the end, so it works out in her favor:
  • She starts a mutiny and is sentenced to life in prison, she gets a full pardon at the end of the season
  • She's stripped of her rank, gets it fully restored at the end of the season
  • She gets demoted as first officer, then gets promoted to captain at the end of the season
  • She fails the T'Kal-En-Ket, but gets the SB-19 data at the end of the episode
And when she finally gets to be captain, it doesn't feel earned. It doesn't feel cathartic that she finally got what she wanted all along. It's just like, "bytch, you've been acting like you were in charge this whole time. :what:"
 

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Season four is definitely the best one yet, and it's basically the show Discovery should have always been. It still has its flaws, but I like the Ten-C storyline and how the whole season is about trying to expand the Federation while also trying to figure out how to make first contact with the Ten-C. This season feels the most like Trek, and there were some fun episodes in this season too, like the poker episode, or the episode where Tilly takes the cadets on a training mission (more on that later).

I actually like some of the newer characters they introduced since season three. Admiral Vance is a much better character than Admiral Cornwall, the Federation and Ni'Var presidents offer an interesting dynamic, and Cleveland Booker is a much better love interest for Michael than Ash Tyler. :mjpls:

That said, Booker does get out of pocket a few too many times, especially for someone who literally holds no rank. Ignoring that he's essentially the villain this season, and while he was sympathetic in his madness, I wasn't a fan of that because you could see where they were going with that from a mile away. One part where he really bugged me was in the season four premiere when he snapped at Owo on the bridge after Kweijan blew up. If I was her I would have been like, ":mjtf:. I know you're emotional, but just because you're fukking the captain doesn't mean you can talk to us any kind of way. :ufdup:"

And speaking of the captain, Burnham is finally a somewhat decent character this season. Making her captain feels like a natural fit for her and it also makes more sense when she argues with her superiors. She also doesn't have all the answers for once. There was no reason this shouldn't have been the dynamic from the beginning, especially when Saru comes back and essentially demotes himself to be her first officer. He gives her none of the shyt she gave him when he was captain, and neither does the rest of the crew. Saru is not only a respectful first officer, but also a guiding hand for Burnham to make the right decisions since he had more seniority since the Shenzhou despite them being the same rank. Why didn't they just make her captain in season three instead of wasting everybody's goddamn time? :stopitslime:

I would have preferred it if they found a way to give Saru a promotion rather than have him being Michael's first officer despite still having the rank of captain. Make Saru and admiral and then they still could have had Saru be there when they made first contact with the Ten-C since they were relying on his knowledge of dozens of languages to translate.

I also hate how they write out Tilly for most of the season. She was by far the best written character on the show, and making her a Starfleet Academy teacher seemed a little odd since they were setting her up for a leadership position since season three. I was under the assumption that the actress wanted to leave until she showed back up for the finale.

The bridge crew (Detmer, Nillson, Owo, Bryce, Rhys) really aren't the focus of the show. They're just there to give a little exposition and go, "Aye, Captain." I understand that, but they still occasionally get small storylines as if we're supposed to care about them. I wouldn't have even known all their names, or which was which, if not for the IMDb feature on Prime Video. But it's weird that there is very little emotional connection to them even though all of them have been there since season one.
  • Detmer gets a PTSD storyline in season three, that ultimately leads of nothing. It would have been cool if they did more with it since the show ignores that she was on the Shenzhou with Michael and Saru during the Battle of the Binary Stars, but all that happens is that in season four, Adira, who previously idolized Tilly, ends up idolizing Detmer after Tilly is written out, and Detmer's PTSD is briefly mentioned
  • Rhys requests to go on an away mission to rescue a space colony from the DMA, because he was from a colony that was destroyed, and then isn't even in the rest of the episode, and just gets a few lines off screen.
  • Rhys and Bryce get into an argument about Booker's actions, that has some clear tension between the two when Rhys tells Bryce he doesn't know grief, and Bryce responds that Rhys doesn't have a monopoly on it. This would be an interesting conversation if we actually knew anything about these characters.
  • Bryce is written out of most of the season, for reasons that are very unclear to me, but he still pops in and out.
  • I don't even know who the fukk Nilsson is or where she came from.
I do think the finale was very strong, and I appreciated how it wasn't purely Burnham giving the final speech to save the day.

God bless Stacey Abrams, but her being the President of the United Earth in the finale was corny as shyt. :mjlol: I can only assume she was a huge lifelong Trek fan because otherwise that cameo was lame as hell. And her acting was :hhh: to boot.
 
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@AquaCityBoy obviously I meant the fourth season, what did think of the Ten-c as villains?

First season was alright, but the Klingon war was cut short just so that they could do the mirror universe and bring Georgio back. Apparently, the secret had broke all over the internet, but I'm not a trekkie so I didn't know. The show finished the Klingon war, took a six month break, then came back and did five episodes.

The third season was better than the second.
 

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what did think of the Ten-c as villains?

I liked them. They were actually treated not as malevolent beings, but as beings who may not have known what they were doing, and the whole season is framed around how to properly make first contact with them.

The only thing I didn't like was how they assassinate Booker's character during the arc, but he did have a reasonable point that the Ten-C needed to be taken down at all costs.

he Klingon war was cut short just so that they could do the mirror universe and bring Georgio back.

I love Michelle Yeoh but I was so goddamn sick of Mirror Universe Georgiou by season three I was glad when they finally wrote her off. :francis:

I guess that Section 31 show they were gonna do with her fell through because I was confused why they even brought her back in season three.
 

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Season four is definitely the best one yet, and it's basically the show Discovery should have always been. It still has its flaws, but I like the Ten-C storyline and how the whole season is about trying to expand the Federation while also trying to figure out how to make first contact with the Ten-C. This season feels the most like Trek, and there were some fun episodes in this season too, like the poker episode, or the episode where Tilly takes the cadets on a training mission (more on that later).

I actually like some of the newer characters they introduced since season three. Admiral Vance is a much better character than Admiral Cornwall, the Federation and Ni'Var presidents offer an interesting dynamic, and Cleveland Booker is a much better love interest for Michael than Ash Tyler. :mjpls:

That said, Booker does get out of pocket a few too many times, especially for someone who literally holds no rank. Ignoring that he's essentially the villain this season, and while he was sympathetic in his madness, I wasn't a fan of that because you could see where they were going with that from a mile away. One part where he really bugged me was in the season four premiere when he snapped at Owo on the bridge after Kweijan blew up. If I was her I would have been like, ":mjtf:. I know you're emotional, but just because you're fukking the captain doesn't mean you can talk to us any kind of way. :ufdup:"

And speaking of the captain, Burnham is finally a somewhat decent character this season. Making her captain feels like a natural fit for her and it also makes more sense when she argues with her superiors. She also doesn't have all the answers for once. There was no reason this shouldn't have been the dynamic from the beginning, especially when Saru comes back and essentially demotes himself to be her first officer. He gives her none of the shyt she gave him when he was captain, and neither does the rest of the crew. Saru is not only a respectful first officer, but also a guiding hand for Burnham to make the right decisions since he had more seniority since the Shenzhou despite them being the same rank. Why didn't they just make her captain in season three instead of wasting everybody's goddamn time? :stopitslime:

I would have preferred it if they found a way to give Saru a promotion rather than have him being Michael's first officer despite still having the rank of captain. Make Saru and admiral and then they still could have had Saru be there when they made first contact with the Ten-C since they were relying on his knowledge of dozens of languages to translate.

I also hate how they write out Tilly for most of the season. She was by far the best written character on the show, and making her a Starfleet Academy teacher seemed a little odd since they were setting her up for a leadership position since season three. I was under the assumption that the actress wanted to leave until she showed back up for the finale.

The bridge crew (Detmer, Nillson, Owo, Bryce, Rhys) really aren't the focus of the show. They're just there to give a little exposition and go, "Aye, Captain." I understand that, but they still occasionally get small storylines as if we're supposed to care about them. I wouldn't have even known all their names, or which was which, if not for the IMDb feature on Prime Video. But it's weird that there is very little emotional connection to them even though all of them have been there since season one.
  • Detmer gets a PTSD storyline in season three, that ultimately leads of nothing. It would have been cool if they did more with it since the show ignores that she was on the Shenzhou with Michael and Saru during the Battle of the Binary Stars, but all that happens is that in season four, Adira, who previously idolized Tilly, ends up idolizing Detmer after Tilly is written out, and Detmer's PTSD is briefly mentioned
  • Rhys requests to go on an away mission to rescue a space colony from the DMA, because he was from a colony that was destroyed, and then isn't even in the rest of the episode, and just gets a few lines off screen.
  • Rhys and Bryce get into an argument about Booker's actions, that has some clear tension between the two when Rhys tells Bryce he doesn't know grief, and Bryce responds that Rhys doesn't have a monopoly on it. This would be an interesting conversation if we actually knew anything about these characters.
  • Bryce is written out of most of the season, for reasons that are very unclear to me, but he still pops in and out.
  • I don't even know who the fukk Nilsson is or where she came from.
I do think the finale was very strong, and I appreciated how it wasn't purely Burnham giving the final speech to save the day.

God bless Stacey Abrams, but her being the President of the United Earth in the finale was corny as shyt. :mjlol: I can only assume she was a huge lifelong Trek fan because otherwise that cameo was lame as hell. And her acting was :hhh: to boot.
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Look like shyt. The Picard and Prodigy trailers were far superior.





Both shows with huge wtf unexpected character returns.

Discovery - “Here’s some more whispering from saviour of the universe Burnham”
 
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