Spin: When did you finally realize that Jay Z's discography is borderline trash?

[Mystic]

Oh I agree with that. I blame that goofy c00n Kanye for that. Lost Tapes 2 and both King's Disease albums are fire tho.

Blame nas, Kanye gave him great beats in the 7 day timeframe he had. Should have told him I want longer than 7 days to write an album from scratch

 

[DraymondT]

Reasonable Doubt
Blueprint
Black Album
American Gangster

his only great albums IMO and only 2 are classics

I fukked wit 4:44 when it dropped but it been aging poorly. WTT is rap

We dont even gotta talk about MCHG, KC, Blueprint 2 and 3

Dynasty got a couple amazing tracks but as a whole the album is 2/5.

Vol 2 and 3 have similar problems but bit more consistent. They got some absolute shyt on em tho.

IML Vol 1 his 5th best IMO at it's a 3.5/5 at best.

What else there the joint albums with Kellz, Beyonce and Linkin Park

That the problem with Jay. He was never an innovator and always followed trends for the most part so you got most of his discog being a product of they times and aging like when you revisit em


so altogether we got what 4-5 albums including collabs out of 20? that's at least 3.5+ shyt i can divide

 

[Billy Ocean]

Blame nas, Kanye gave him great beats in the 7 day timeframe he had. Should have told him I want longer than 7 days to write an album from scratch

 

[Mystic]

He made those beats in 7 days

 

[Billy Ocean]

He made those beats in 7 days

The square jawed c00n has said several times over the years that producing an album for Nas was one of his dreams. He shoulda came better than that.

 

[Still Benefited]

Jay's albums are very hit or miss for me. Especially those volume series of albums. He has some flat out songs that didnt age well. Reasonable doubt, blue print, american gangster are his highlights. Misses magna carta, kingdom come, blue print 3, a good amount of blueprint 2, the r Kelly albums. At this point people just give Jay the default goat discography and title. In my opinion nas discography has aged much better. If you listen to illmatic, it was written, I am, gods son, stillmatic, lost tapes life is good, untitled, distant relatives and kings disease they all sound good and age appropriate. Even those 90s to early 2000s projects.

Breh,we are not about to count R Kelly collabo albums and The Carters. Those were side projects and albums made to set up a tour and nothing more. Matter of fact I might not even want to count Magna Carta since that was a sick money move to partner with Samsung. That Kanye West collab?Same thing as the R Kelly albums,side project that you can't count as part of his discography. Jayz has 8 strong albums and 3 duds with all of that said. Notice how I'm not trying to cheat the process here. Watch The Throne wasn't a bad album but I'm still not counting that one either. And really I would say 9 personally,but I think the majority of people seem to not like Blueprint 2,even though I liked it. I'd give Jay-Z 3 classics and a arguable very consistent catalogue. His and Nas catalogues are pretty similar actually in terms of quality when I break it down. Only difference is Nas has weaker stretches. He'll hit you with 2 strong albums back to back then go on a run of duds.

 

[NormanConnors]

4:44 was not trash, neither was Vol 1-3, stop smoking dikk.

Where did I say any of that in your quote, and chill with the gay shyt.

 

[Mike Wins]

I wouldn't say Jay has a bad discography, but I do believe people are more lenient with his bad albums than they are with Nas' bad albums and I don't get it. Yeah, I'm bringing up Nas because this is a spin-off of a thread about him.

LIke @Inspect Her Deck saying that Nas' discography is twice as bad and I'm just like.......really? I don't know where all these horrible albums are. It goes back to what I said in a previous thread where people only look at albums in two ways: Classic or trash. If you can't play something front to back or some of the songs are forgettable, then the album isn't worth listening to.

Let me put it this way: I don't think Kingdom Come is a good album. I don't think The Blueprint 3 is a good album. But they're not worth throwing away in my opinion. Kingdom Come has the first couple tracks on it that are bangers, BP3 has the first couple tracks on it and "A Star is Born," along with some songs that everybody hates but I like ("Venus vs. Mars," "Reminder"). So I wouldn't throw either of them away. They're just not highlights in Jay's career.

And with Nas, it's the same thing. Street's Disciple is all over the place as an album, especially in the second half, but the good tracks help keep me from throwing it away. The only Nas album I don't think is worth keeping around is Nasir. I think you can get rid of it and it won't impact his discography at all. With Jay, you can get rid of MCHG and it will make his discography better, especially since his albums post-retirement have been shaky except for two (American Gangster, 4:44).

The last thing I'll say is that Jay is a great sequencer. He knew that making Kingdom Come and BP3 top heavy at least helps the quality. You can stop playing the albums at the halfway point and you'll be okay. You don't even need the second half, so you'll come away with a good/classic EP at least.

Whole post is true. Maybe onto something with the last paragraph.

Other factor is the Hovengers, both online and in the media, just completely ignore his trash and filler songs. That's why you see them arguing BP2 is a borderline classic even though half the album is ass. Or Kingdom Come and BP3 are underrated because they have a few bangers on them.

 

[Billy Ocean]

Uppage for the anniversary of Kingdom Come dropping.

 

[Bondye Vodou]

He got greats/classics like RD, Vol 2, Vol 3, Blueprint, AG, TBA, 4:44, WTT

Most of his other shyt is solid, MCHG is dookie tho.

 

[L. Deezy]

Naw, we really need to go over Jay albums track by track. Most of his shyt unlistenable now.

 

[Who Not How]

BP2 is a great album if you skip the wack songs. Dude had hella songs on that album so it's a lot of piff on it - not like it's an 11 track tape and 5 songs doo doo. Even the wack songs, Jay spitting. That album has a special place in my heart, made me a Jay-Z fan.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

ML Vol 1 his 5th best IMO at it's a 3.5/5 at best.

I hit the Arthur balled up fist earlier this year when Twitter nikkas tried to play revisionist history with that album

 

[Switch]

He has got quite a few duds

 

[Playaz Eyez]

BP2 is a great album if you skip the wack songs. Dude had hella songs on that album so it's a lot of piff on it - not like it's an 11 track tape and 5 songs doo doo. Even the wack songs, Jay spitting. That album has a special place in my heart, made me a Jay-Z fan.

You have to remove almost the entire first disc for it to be dope