SPIN: Is The United Kingdom Bad As The United States When It Comes To Blacks/Minority Race Issues?

[DaRealness]

Don't worry I'm trying to do what I have to, so I can get out of the U.S. I refuse to be a victim.

At one time I considered maybe starting a new life in the states, but I'd never do that now. If I migrate to a new country it will most likely be in the caribbean somewhere where I can help build the IT infrastructure.

 

[Hagendas]

It really depends if you out of the major cities London Liverpool Manchester Birmingham etc you will get some funny looks but nothing will be said

There are still those low IQ drunks who will shout anything and of course those who get brave when in a crowd

But at the minute its worse to be Muslim than black here hell even non Muslim Asians will get that work

 

[Heretic]

Why go there though? Some blacks bring it upon themselves when they go to these countries where the native people is struggling. Eastern Europe? Like why?

heck if I know, I'm happy not ever setting foot there in my life

 

[SirReginald]

At one time I considered maybe starting a new life in the states, but I'd never do that now. If I migrate to a new country it will most likely be in the caribbean somewhere where I can help build the IT infrastructure.

You should try out the British Virgin Islands. I heard it's like no tax and it's a BUNCH of Blacks there.

 

[DaRealness]

You should try out the British Virgin Islands. I heard it's like no tax and it's a BUNCH of Blacks there.

Anything's possible. I've always wanted to visit that place anyway.

 

[SirReginald]

Off Topic

Damn, this carnival is piff in the UK. Love my history

 

[SirReginald]

 

[okra]

ah yeah muslims, tbh some of it they are to blame

these kneegas wanted to build their own temple here

take that trash out of here

muslims tried to bring that shia law shyt here too and force it down peoples throats, they were really in the streets taking peoples beers out of their hands and pouting it on the floor, seen that shyt with my own eyes so yeah muslims do bring some trouble , i wasnt fuking with that shia law bullshyt, take that shyt back to your motherland

where are you getting this from? youve seen what with youre own eyes??/ muslim preachers? and you also see some christian guy giving out leaflets about their church. muslims are not disturbing anyone, its ppl like you who are making up and exaggerating stuff about muslims thats more of a problem than sharia law that will never take place in england since most muslims have their own customs and rules that come from their own countries laws that dont involve sharia law. stop dpreading bs about muslims youre as bad as those edl c*nts

 

[mortuus est]

where are you getting this from? youve seen what with youre own eyes??/ muslim preachers? and you also see some christian guy giving out leaflets about their church. muslims are not disturbing anyone, its ppl like you who are making up and exaggerating stuff about muslims thats more of a problem than sharia law that will never take place in england since most muslims have their own customs and rules that come from their own countries laws that dont involve sharia law. stop dpreading bs about muslims youre as bad as those edl c*nts

Im from east london , they were muslims i dont knw about prachers , why would i make stuff up about muslimd here? like i said ive seen shyt with my own 2 eyes not all of them come in peace, we also have a big muslim terrorist thing thats been going on for ages

how am i spreading bs? why did they try to FORCE sharia law so many times? all the info is out there

bottom line is dont come here dissing how the people live then try force stupid laws on us

 

[okra]

Im from east london , they were muslims i dont knw about prachers , why would i make stuff up about muslimd here? like i said ive seen shyt with my own 2 eyes not all of them come in peace, we also have a big muslim terrorist thing thats been going on for ages

how am i spreading bs? why did they try to FORCE sharia law so many times? all the info is out there

bottom line is dont come here dissing how the people live then try force stupid laws on us

youre making it seem like its happening everywhere.

 

[mortuus est]

youre making it seem like its happening everywhere.

different parts of the uk yeah

 

[sportscribe]

Firstly, I would say that the UK tends to be more classist than racist. There is a palpable disdain from the gentry for people who are perceived to be leeches on society; ie people on benefits or government assistance.There is also an existing dislike for people who come from mainland Europe (mainly Poland) that take their jobs....and are on government assistance. So there is certainly an undercurrent of classism in the UK, and ethnic minorities just so happen to fall into the class that has a preponderance of individuals on government benefits.

That said, I feel a reason the intensity of the racial discontent in the UK is not as much of a talking point as it is in the US is that not only are black people a smaller minority in the UK, but they lack the economic and political power that US blacks have. If you are a black in the UK, the most fundamental route towards economic empowerment is to become an athlete. These are the people the young, urban minorities are looking up to - the football players. Sure there are immigrants and children of immigrants who have seen some success individually in the corporate environment, but by and large, there isn't the progressive collectivism (albeit to a small degree) that exists with blacks in the US (think HBCU's and the like). Mind you, blacks in the US themselves have a long way to go towards economic empowerment. On the political side of things, I do not believe blacks in the UK have a real voice. Even in London where they have a presence population-wise, they are still outnumbered by the ethnic British population. They don't have a constituency where they can have some sort of influence on national politics. In the States, at least there are numerous black mayors and Reps. I would really like to see a tally of the black people in the UK Parliament. People like Diane Abbott are few and far between.

That leads me to my point. Without even a semblance of unified economic or political power, you cannot be perceived as a threat. Blacks in the UK can live in a relatively safe environment, unmolested by society because they are not seen as a threat. Blacks in the UK are yet to have a real civil rights movement that will shake the very foundation of the London Bridge. There isn't overt racism from the system simply because the system does not fear you as it were. Once you become a threat to the system and their existing way of life, then you will see the backlash as it occurs in the US. Blacks in the US are a perceptible threat. They threaten by numbers, influence on culture, increasing economic power and education and the like. Moreover, they do not take oppression lying down - at least they did. The formation and subsequent destruction of the Black Panther Party is an attestation of the fear that blacks in America can put into the system. Well until you black folks in the UK can wake up and realize that all that glitters is not necessarily gold, then you will continue to be content with your status quo.

 

[SirReginald]

Firstly, I would say that the UK tends to be more classist than racist. There is a palpable disdain from the gentry for people who are perceived to be leeches on society; ie people on benefits or government assistance.There is also an existing dislike for people who come from mainland Europe (mainly Poland) that take their jobs....and are on government assistance. So there is certainly an undercurrent of classism in the UK, and ethnic minorities just so happen to fall into the class that has a preponderance of individuals on government benefits.

That said, I feel a reason the intensity of the racial discontent in the UK is not as much of a talking point as it is in the US is that not only are black people a smaller minority in the UK, but they lack the economic and political power that US blacks have. If you are a black in the UK, the most fundamental route towards economic empowerment is to become an athlete. These are the people the young, urban minorities are looking up to - the football players. Sure there are immigrants and children of immigrants who have seen some success individually in the corporate environment, but by and large, there isn't the progressive collectivism (albeit to a small degree) that exists with blacks in the US (think HBCU's and the like). Mind you, blacks in the US themselves have a long way to go towards economic empowerment. On the political side of things, I do not believe blacks in the UK have a real voice. Even in London where they have a presence population-wise, they are still outnumbered by the ethnic British population. They don't have a constituency where they can have some sort of influence on national politics. In the States, at least there are numerous black mayors and Reps. I would really like to see a tally of the black people in the UK Parliament. People like Diane Abbott are few and far between.

That leads me to my point. Without even a semblance of unified economic or political power, you cannot be perceived as a threat. Blacks in the UK can live in a relatively safe environment, unmolested by society because they are not seen as a threat. Blacks in the UK are yet to have a real civil rights movement that will shake the very foundation of the London Bridge. There isn't overt racism from the system simply because the system does not fear you as it were. Once you become a threat to the system and their existing way of life, then you will see the backlash as it occurs in the US. Blacks in the US are a perceptible threat. They threaten by numbers, influence on culture, increasing economic power and education and the like. Moreover, they do not take oppression lying down - at least they did. The formation and subsequent destruction of the Black Panther Party is an attestation of the fear that blacks in America can put into the system. Well until you black folks in the UK can wake up and realize that all that glitters is not necessarily gold, then you will continue to be content with your status quo.

Thanks for going in depth about this. Also, yeah I heard Blacks don't really have a voice over there. However, at-least I don't have to fear suicide by cop and getting shot by one because I just walked out of my house.

 

[Suicide King]

In recent times I've personally found myself more enraged by America's treatment of black people, although I don't live there everything I've read and seen leads me to believe that there really is something not quite right with the collective psyche of white America.

You gotta look at White America like this, they run too unchecked. We have to strengthen the hearts and minds of our people, along with our community for things to get more balanced. That way we have the power to tip the scales, cause things are very uneven. This is why its hard for me to focus on what whites can do for us, when there is so much that blacks have to start doing for our own communities.

But we are limited in what we can do, if the system/government doesn't protect us, and this is what we are fighting for. But white America think we want their piece of the pie. We just want to be treated fairly.

 

[Suicide King]

Firstly, I would say that the UK tends to be more classist than racist. There is a palpable disdain from the gentry for people who are perceived to be leeches on society; ie people on benefits or government assistance.There is also an existing dislike for people who come from mainland Europe (mainly Poland) that take their jobs....and are on government assistance. So there is certainly an undercurrent of classism in the UK, and ethnic minorities just so happen to fall into the class that has a preponderance of individuals on government benefits.

That said, I feel a reason the intensity of the racial discontent in the UK is not as much of a talking point as it is in the US is that not only are black people a smaller minority in the UK, but they lack the economic and political power that US blacks have. If you are a black in the UK, the most fundamental route towards economic empowerment is to become an athlete. These are the people the young, urban minorities are looking up to - the football players. Sure there are immigrants and children of immigrants who have seen some success individually in the corporate environment, but by and large, there isn't the progressive collectivism (albeit to a small degree) that exists with blacks in the US (think HBCU's and the like). Mind you, blacks in the US themselves have a long way to go towards economic empowerment. On the political side of things, I do not believe blacks in the UK have a real voice. Even in London where they have a presence population-wise, they are still outnumbered by the ethnic British population. They don't have a constituency where they can have some sort of influence on national politics. In the States, at least there are numerous black mayors and Reps. I would really like to see a tally of the black people in the UK Parliament. People like Diane Abbott are few and far between.

That leads me to my point. Without even a semblance of unified economic or political power, you cannot be perceived as a threat. Blacks in the UK can live in a relatively safe environment, unmolested by society because they are not seen as a threat. Blacks in the UK are yet to have a real civil rights movement that will shake the very foundation of the London Bridge. There isn't overt racism from the system simply because the system does not fear you as it were. Once you become a threat to the system and their existing way of life, then you will see the backlash as it occurs in the US. Blacks in the US are a perceptible threat. They threaten by numbers, influence on culture, increasing economic power and education and the like. Moreover, they do not take oppression lying down - at least they did. The formation and subsequent destruction of the Black Panther Party is an attestation of the fear that blacks in America can put into the system. Well until you black folks in the UK can wake up and realize that all that glitters is not necessarily gold, then you will continue to be content with your status quo.

Yep, feels like what is going on with blacks and whites in America, I feel its more economics than ideology.

If blacks were more of a threat in UK it would be different. Its almost like its a bloody power struggle in America.

This is why they struggle when black blood is spilled, it shows their side is winning.

Still I have no hate, just understanding, so I can figure out my next step with a clear mind.