Spin//Do you believe in God?

This dude god real?

  • Nah

    Votes: 46 46.0%
  • Yea

    Votes: 54 54.0%

  • Total voters
    100
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But there's no evidence saying he doesn't exist either :patrice:

It doesn't work that way.

The burden of proof is on YOU to show why you're right.

Atheism doesn't assert anything. Its just the lack of belief.

When you go to court and you're found NOT-Guilty, you're not innocent. You're just NOT guilty. Courts have no bearing on your innocence, only on whether you've met the standard of guilt.

I'm not asserting if there is a god or if there isn't. YOU are. If you are, then its your responsibility to show why your claim makes sense.

if you fail to support your claim, it doesn't mean god doesn't exist. Its just that you haven't show that one DOES exist.
 

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Yes, but not in the Christian/Islam sense of God

Its funny because I'm sure your only conception of "god" is limited to whatever ideas you've been exposed to.

So yes, I think its closer to the Abrahamic "god" than you think.

You want the benefit of association, without the stigma of the labels.
 

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It doesn't work that way.

The burden of proof is on YOU to show why you're right.

Atheism doesn't assert anything. Its just the lack of belief.

When you go to court and you're found NOT-Guilty, you're not innocent. You're just NOT guilty. Courts have no bearing on your innocence, only on whether you've met the standard of guilt.

I'm not asserting if there is a god or if there isn't. YOU are. If you are, then its your responsibility to show why your claim makes sense.

if you fail to support your claim, it doesn't mean god doesn't exist. Its just that you haven't show that one DOES exist.

It's not the same because we are talking about something that can't be proved or disproved. Such is the nature of the spiritual.

Science can't prove that everyone has a spirit or soul any more than the Bible explains the phenomenon of Event Horizon....but there's just a consensus. Religions are just big consensus, however, asking someone do they believe in God is not the same as "what religion are you". All theists even within the same religion do not feel the same about God.

I feel many Atheists have an issue with Religion and not God. And even further Athiests should learn to separate bigots who use the texts as weapons or tools for an agenda and people who feel that the universe is divine in its origins.
 

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No

God imo was created by man to explain the un-explained to the question "who created everything" ?

The bible was basically a rule book created at the time to set fear into people that lived during that time so their society wouldn't self destruct, that's why it changes as the times changes.
 

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Its funny because I'm sure your only conception of "god" is limited to whatever ideas you've been exposed to.

So yes, I think its closer to the Abrahamic "god" than you think.

You want the benefit of association, without the stigma of the labels.

Oh sorry you must be some magical person who can tell me about my experiences and views better than I can. You must tell me how these magical powers work and how you got them.

See this his the problem I have with atheist like you. It's not enough for you to just not believe and go on with your life, you also got to try to tear down everyone else for what they believe. Why can't you just live and let live?

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It's not the same because we are talking about something that can't be proved or disproved. Such is the nature of the spiritual.

So don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

You don't get to take it as a GIVEN, then when asked to show and prove what you're saying as legitimate, you run back to "well I can't show you etc..."

Thats moving the goal posts.

You have no problem demonstrating anything else you subscribe to.

You're better just saying you WANT it to be there, rather than it just being there.

if you don't want to get into this problem, stop speaking on things you don't want to confront.

Science can't prove that everyone has a spirit or soul any more than the Bible explains the phenomenon of Event Horizon....but there's just a consensus.

Yet again, more evasion.

don't speak on shyt if you can't speak on it.

Period.

Science can't prove it because...there is no evidence on the matter.

(as someone who has an academic background in neuroscience) there isn't much evidence to suggest that there IS a "soul/spirit" but that doesn't mean there isn't one.

It just means that there is no way you can take a claim on the issue.

Just say "I don't know"

You can't just presuppose the conclusion and then wait for the evidence.

Religions are just big consensus, however, asking someone do they believe in God is not the same as "what religion are you"

1. The number of people that subscribe to a belief says nothing about the legitimacy of that belief or the validity of what they assert.

2. Yes, I have no problem combining the 'god' they believe in with their religious affiliations because religions make assertions about the god they believe in so to some degree, knowing the religion you VOLUNTARILY submit to, says a lot about what god you subscribe to.

All theists even within the same religion do not feel the same about God.

Too bad. Don't VOLUNTARILY subscribe to a religion with its own rules if you're just going to bytch about the very tenets you CHOSE to subscribe to.

I feel many Atheists have an issue with Religion and not God.

I have a problem with both.

1. Religions make objective assertions that don't offer any leeway about what they proclaim and infer infallibility.

2. Every god concept that has ever been asserted fails under its own weight of irrationality.

And even further Athiests should learn to separate bigots who use the texts as weapons or tools for an agenda and people who feel that the universe is divine in its origins.

FALSE.

I'm tired of religious moderates like yourself who think you're being "better" than bigots in your own religion.

Bigots are people you're just scared to associate with, yet you VOLUNTARILY follow the same religion that informs the bigot's opinions.

if you ask me, the hateful religious people are the honest religious people. Being religious doesn't make you good or say anything about your morality. It only says how religious you are. PERIOD.

If you want to ignore all the bad shyt the bible asks you to do, then don't tell me how "religious" you are when you effectively ignore all the shyt you know that is contemporarily impractical for you to pursue. You're an opportunist that wants the benefits of the association without the effort required to actually submit to what you VOLUNTARILY align yourself with.

Philosophically, I support the christian who wants to stone women for having premarital sex than the one who thinks the bible is clearly wrong on some aspects. At least the first person really believes it enough to see it through. You, on the other hand, just like to pick and choose because its too uncomfortable for you admit you don't take the bible seriously.
 

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Oh sorry you must be some magical person who can tell me about my experiences and views better than I can. You must tell me how these magical powers work and how you got them.

See this his the problem I have with atheist like you. It's not enough for you to just not believe and go on with your life, you also got to try to tear down everyone else for what they believe. Why can't you just live and let live?

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Which is funny because I could care less about what you "believe"

I'm interested in whats real, true, and valid.

If it hurts your feelings, then you should tell me why you hate Thor so much.
 

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and what you just did was prove a point that atheists can't do anything but be butthurt about the fact that people don't want to use "logic", YOUR "Logic" that YOU trust in. Stop throwing shade on people because they use a different way of navigating the world and universe than you.

And to answer your "lumped in with bigots" tirade, science has things that are "absolutes", things that the community has made a CONSENSUS on. Same with religion. However, with further examination anything can be refuted and in fact through the course of history both scientific theories AND religious doctrine have been questioned and in some cases debunked.

So to say that the people who ascribe more to the message in Christianity that promotes forgivness, grace, unconditional love for humanity and sacrifice rather than Wrath of God, hellfire and brimstone are somehow not Christians or are afraid to associate with others in the faith is flimsy. Especially when talking about something that is open to interpretation.

Some take the gruesome details in Leveticus to heart, however some feel that the death of Christ creates a new covenant of Blood that wipes out the Covenant of the Old Testament. Its all interpretation and NO ONE has it totally right....not even atheists.
 
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@Napoleon

and what you just did was prove a point that atheists can't do anything but be butthurt about the fact that people don't want to use "logic", YOUR "Logic" that YOU trust in.

no dumb ass.

There is no "your logic"

There is simply logic.

Faith and religion are the ONLY two things you seem to suspend the very tools of rationale you employ elsewhere in your life.

But when it comes to shyt you can't explain or things you want to be true, then you throw caution to the wind and start lowering your standards for VERY simple arguments that make NO sense.

Then it becomes "well it COULD be true" blah blah blah.

Nah bruh.

You just want to be able to make shyt up because it makes you feel good without actually being responsible for showing or demonstrating that what you're saying has ANY validity.

Do you want to draft a kid out of high school to UEFA? Nah...but now when it comes to the "afterlife" well you nikkas turn into :blessed: looking fools looking for ANY crack to start making shyt up.

Evidence isn't something I take lightly. If you don't have any, don't expect me to take you seriously.

You could EASILY substantiate ANYTHING you're saying and all you're doing now is copping pleas.


Stop throwing shade on people because they use a different way of navigating the world and universe than you.

There is no "navigation" here.

Just say "these are some ideas I want to employ about the world/opinions"

DO NOT say: I believe in XYZ actually existing...because THEN you're responsible for backing that up.



And to answer your "lumped in with bigots" tirade, science has things that are "absolutes", things that the community has made a CONSENSUS on.

False.

Thats fundamentally false.

Nothing in science is taken for granted. No idea is unchallenged or taken as fact.

Everything can be criticized and falsified. Thats what makes it a viable form of discovering and discerning validity and the veracity of claims.

And you trying to equate "science" (which is nothing more than a method) to the objective claims that theists and theologists make does NOT validate ANYTHING you're saying.

Keep trying to move the goal posts like we don't realize you're trying to skirt responsibility for what you're asserting and voluntarily associating yourself with. :mjpls:


Same with religion. However, with further examination anything can be refuted and in fact through the course of history both scientific theories AND religious doctrine have been questioned and in some cases debunked.

Religious doctrines assert objective infallibility. Thats not scientific. It doesn't even allot for updated interpretation.

I'm PRETTY sure it wouldn't be a religion if it did.

Look at all the leading theologists trying to invoke astrophysics and their limited understanding of the latest science as proof of their claims, meanwhile they had to wait to discover this information hundreds of years post the "final revelation" and couldn't find this in their own doctrines.

Like I said: Moving the goal posts.


So to say that the people who ascribe more to the message in Christianity that promotes forgivness, grace, unconditional love for humanity and sacrifice rather than Wrath of God, hellfire and brimstone are somehow not Christians or are afraid to associate with others in the faith is flimsy. Especially when talking about something that is open to interpretation.


I don't care what you try to ascribe to christianity. its not about being ''good" or bad"

Its about being christian. if you submit to whats in the bible, then don't come back and try to blame it on "interpretation" when the fire of controversy gets too hot then ya'll want to back off like :whoa: we ain't mean all that...don't agree with ALL of that.

oh word? So how far down the rabbit hole do you want to go?

If thats up for interpretation then so is the very existence of the things you claim to believe.

Since genesis is now seen as a metaphor since you all KNOW its pretty fukking stupid to even suggest it as a viable form of creation in lieu of what we now know, lets approach the god concept...oh wait...what? Too much to handle?

I'll wait for you to catch up. :whoo:



Some take the gruesome details in Leveticus to heart, however some feel that the death of Christ creates a new covenant of Blood that wipes out the Covenant of the Old Testament. Its all interpretation and NO ONE has it totally right....not even atheists.

Bruh.

This is bullshyt.

You can't keep blaming it on "interpretation" when YOU YOURSELF believe aspects of the bible to be true.

Where do you draw the line?

I can't hand you a copy of the latest physics book and tell you to take 1/2 of it seriously.

OK. Genesis is a metaphor but jesus doing half the shyt he claimed to do (and considering miracles weren't that rare apparently 2000 years ago) isn't a metaphor?

Walking on water is real but stoning women and killing gays isn't cool now?

Its either all legit, or its not. You don't get to keep skirting around the fact that you only pick out the shyt that sounds poetic because you don't want to face the fact that there are parts of that book you haven't even looked into.

And stop trying to use that bullshyt "new testament" excuse you christians love to invoke. Its disgusting and dishonest.

the NT has TONS of deplorable shyt in it...including well...revelations? :snoop:

But no...then when you bring it up then its all "well its all up to interpretation..." but let me guess YOU have the right interpreation... :rudy:

We see what you're doing. When pressed all you'll do is fall back on ambiguity instead of taking responsibility for the bullshyt you ascribe to.

You can ignore it all you want, but its still there.
 
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