SPIN: Boyz II Men vs. Jodeci vs. H-Town vs. Silk
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Never said they were jodeci rip offs, i said "Most would say they were Jodeci rip offs". And I have heard some people say that before.
When did I say I dont like them? I do like them and think H-town is okay at best but nothing special. I just dont think they are all that. There are a number of better groups/bands from their era that rank higher than them.
If you looked at one of my previous posts, I did say I have all their albums even the most recent one from (from 2004?) with "my pink sky" (good song) after Dino died, so I wouldnt have the discography of an artist that I didnt like (I.e. I dont like Tevin Campbell and have NO albums from him in my music collection).
But with that said, H-Towns albums dont get as much reply from me as Jodeci's, Boyz II Mens, Tony Toni Tones, Silk, Dru Hill, Mint Conditions etc. but the quality isnt on that tier at all.
MOST wouldn't say that either. just say you heard a few people say that.
how is the quality of their albums not on jodeci's tier? you keep avoiding this like the plague. we can go album for album.
and h-town was more popular than silk, so how are they not on the same tier? dru hill came thru a weaker era. and I'd say h-town was more popular than mint but its hard to tell cuz theyre in completely different lanes.
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look im an h town fan too but what are you basing this off? silks first album and their 3rd with meeting in my bedroom are both classics to me. plus i can go deeper is a classic too.
Not sure how you want me to explain it... but IMO Jodeci's albums were/are more listenable, more replay value, much much better singles, harmonies, Devante's/Dalvin's production + writing >>>>>>>, and are more cohesive.
Take Jodeci's 3rd album for example. Unique concept with the interludes in between each song (similar to Janet's "Rhythm Nation 1814") through the album and really showed what the album title is all about... going from the The Show, to the After Party to the Hotel all while still keeping it gutta, funny, yet soulful. Forever My Lady was half New Jack which was average uptempo at best, and the first half was timeless classic soul ballads that H-town cant compete with production wise, vocally, replay value. This was their intro into to the world. I mean look at many urban contemporary quiet storm stations playlists out there on your local radio station, online or satellite radio. Compare how much H-Town songs are played vs Jodecis....
Diary of a Band, the sophomore joint, demonstrated them as a "band" in a way with Devante arguably his peak with the production, and writing. And K-Ci was arguably at his peak vocally. Departing from the dying new jack swing sound into a more funky sound for the uptempo numbers, while again putting out classic soul ballads. This album was a influence to many people, including artists you hear today.
As for H-Town being more popular than Silk...
Looking back their peak periods for both groups in terms of popularity (1992/93), H-town was NOT more popular than Silk. "Knockin Da Boots" and "Freak Me" were both Platinum certified singles by the RIAA so they were tied there... BUT Freak Me went #1 on pop charts for 2 weeks, while "Boots" went top 5. For the R&B charts, Freak Me was #1 for 8 weeks (the longest for any R&B #1 in 1993), while H-Town was #1 for only 4 weeks in 1993. Looking at those albums though, Fever For Da Flavor went plat, while Lose Control went double plat. Lose Control had more and higher charting R&B singles than Fever For Da Flavor did as well. So Silk wins there. Also Silks album was just overall better.
By the end of the 90's, Silk came back again with another quality platinum album "Tonight" even while music was changing and a couple hits on that album at that (Meeting In My Bedroom, If You etc), while H-town was unfortunately done by 1997. Another win for Silk. So to conclude, Silk was always more popular than H-Town.
As for H-Town more popular than Mint Conditon...
H-Town was more popular than Mint Condition in the early 90's. But that's about it. From mid 90's going forward Mint Condition was always more popular than H-Town. From the mid 90's going fwd, Mint has been putting out higher charting albums on both R&B and pop charts, higher charting singles, tours, appearances, award nominations, better albums, much more consistency and longevity etc.,... H-Town did/has not come close before and after Dino's death. And to make it fair, while H-Town lost a member, so did Mint Condition (Keri married Toni Braxton/left the band in 1999), and these guys still kept going which I will elaborate on...
Mint Condition recently was an in house band for Way Black When on TV One, they had an Unsung episode recently, they toured with Prince last year here and overseas, a few years ago Mint Condition, Anthony Hamilton, Doug E Fresh and Jill Scott toured together for months.
MC also appeared and performed on the Jimmy Fallon show in 2011. They appear at the Essence Music Festival in New Orleans every year and put on a great show in front of thousands and thousands, made appearances at the Trumpet awards recently and BET honors, and even was nominated for a Soul Train and Grammy Award in recent years...and all of this is being done after 20 years in the game, while on their own independent label (so no "machine") and while the idea of a black male R&B band is a dead concept in todays R&B they still holding sh1t down.
Since 2005 Mint Condition has released a good 4 albums which have done decent numbers on R&B charts, are really good and have rec'd great reviews. Most of them debuted top 10 on R&B charts (during a time where Beyonce, 2 chainz, Drake, Alicia, Lil Wayne, Kanye, Rick Ross, etc are running the Hiphop/R&B album charts...yet these guys still are somewhat selling, still debuting in the top 10. This shows they have a strong fanbase and are still putting out crack. No big label, no gimmicks, No tv commercial promo, etc. none of that. Just pure raw, natural music from the last relevant black male band in R&B.
These brothers are still surviving and eating. Oh and Mint Condition performed for the troops recently overseas. Pretty good if you ask me? H-Town might have been more popular in 1993-1995 or so, but from about 1994 to present in terms of popularity, Mint Condition >>>>> H-Town easily.
H-Town and MC are in much different lanes, but if they were to be compared, there would be no comparison.
@Dettol
youre doing a lot of talking around the questions. were jodeci's 1st 2 albums half-filler or not? iirc, you agreed that they were half-filler on the old site, and also agreed to the fact that h-town's 1st 2 albums were classics. sure, the 1st halfs of jodeci's 1st 2 albums get more play than probably anybody's albums mentioned in this thread. but that's not the question.
as for silk, youre doing too much number-crunching. of course they were gonna sell more than h-town. they had like 5 or more singles getting PUSHED from the 1st album. what do you expect? im talking impact here. who gets mentioned more? who rocked the crowd the hardest back in the day? they were on tour together, btw. who did the chicks go crazier over?
I mean, theyre on the same exact plane, the same way jodeci & boyz II men are too each other. so if you say silk, then cool. but don't act like silk was on a whole nother level. that's just poppy-cock. and i'd say that h-town was more popular actually.
I wasn't really arguing about the mint condition thing. 2 different lanes. and of course mint is gonna have more longevity & more reach. theyre a band. that's why I didn't include them or tony tone in the poll, and I was expecting you to make that spinoff thread since those 2 are prolly your favorites.........but
@ comparing toni Braxton's ex-husband's importance to Dino's.
youre doing a lot of talking around the questions. were jodeci's 1st 2 albums half-filler or not? iirc, you agreed that they were half-filler on the old site, and also agreed to the fact that h-town's 1st 2 albums were classics. sure, the 1st halfs of jodeci's 1st 2 albums get more play than probably anybody's albums mentioned in this thread. but that's not the question.
as for silk, youre doing too much number-crunching. of course they were gonna sell more than h-town. they had like 5 or more singles getting PUSHED from the 1st album. what do you expect? im talking impact here. who gets mentioned more? who rocked the crowd the hardest back in the day? they were on tour together, btw. who did the chicks go crazier over?
I mean, theyre on the same exact plane, the same way jodeci & boyz II men are too each other. so if you say silk, then cool. but don't act like silk was on a whole nother level. that's just poppy-cock. and i'd say that h-town was more popular actually.
I wasn't really arguing about the mint condition thing. 2 different lanes. and of course mint is gonna have more longevity & more reach. theyre a band. that's why I didn't include them or tony tone in the poll, and I was expecting you to make that spinoff thread since those 2 are prolly your favorites.........but
@ comparing toni Braxton's ex-husband's importance to Dino's.
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@Dettol
youre doing a lot of talking around the questions. were jodeci's 1st 2 albums half-filler or not? iirc, you agreed that they were half-filler on the old site, and also agreed to the fact that h-town's 1st 2 albums were classics. sure, the 1st halfs of jodeci's 1st 2 albums get more play than probably anybody's albums mentioned in this thread. but that's not the question.
as for silk, youre doing too much number-crunching. of course they were gonna sell more than h-town. they had like 5 or more singles getting PUSHED from the 1st album. what do you expect? im talking impact here. who gets mentioned more? who rocked the crowd the hardest back in the day? they were on tour together, btw. who did the chicks go crazier over?
I mean, theyre on the same exact plane, the same way jodeci & boyz II men are too each other. so if you say silk, then cool. but don't act like silk was on a whole nother level. that's just poppy-cock. and i'd say that h-town was more popular actually.
I wasn't really arguing about the mint condition thing. 2 different lanes. and of course mint is gonna have more longevity & more reach. theyre a band. that's why I didn't include them or tony tone in the poll, and I was expecting you to make that spinoff thread since those 2 are prolly your favorites.........but
I dont know what else to say bro, but the poll speak for itself and so do the countless of professinal and non reviews out there about Jodeci's albums, and to a lesser extent H-Towns albums. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
As for Silk/H-town, H-Town's first album had 3 singles, while Silk's had 4 released in the U.S.. so a very similar numbers, yet Silk still doubled the sales of H-Towns. Each of theri debut albums had one huge hit, while the other singles were all minor hits, or had no impact on sales. So I think thats out of the question.
Well H-Town will get the chicks going crazy more (back in the day), because ladies find them more attractive (younger dudes, light skin brothers in the group) and they take of their clothes, and wearing certain outfits. But that dont mean they had a bigger impact in R&B than Silk did. Neither had a huge impact in general in R&B but between the two, its clearly Silk. What exactly did H-Town do after 1994? Silk at least put out better albums, and had bigger hits than them, and the quality music throughout the 90s was better than H-Towns. And lets not vocals because we all know who would win there.
As far as "Toni Braxtons" husband, whether someone is a lead singer or a writer or whatever, losing a band/group member can have an effect. Keri wrote "U Send Me Swingin" one of the biggest r&B singles in the early 90s, as was kind of the groups "in band manager" type of guy so he played a huge part. After his departure, they still carried on. Dino was the lead singer and the face of he group, and yes he was more prominent for his group, but them other two dudes couldnt carry on or sing lead and keep hope alive? TLC lost a member and they at least tried to...
I refuuse to make the TTT vs MC thread, because I like em both a lot lol. Its all good though
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silk's singles got promoted tho. huge difference.
youre right with the bolded. unfair comparison. but chit, if that's what made them more popular, then so be it.
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If Mint Condition was in this, I would have picked them. But Jodeci wins this slightly over Boyz II Men for me.
Lucky_Lefty
Dreams Are Colder Than Death...
If it hasn't been said I'll speak up. Jodeci, although they have some classics, one of the most overrated r&b groups of all time
I can't front, Boyz II Men was my go to shyt when females wasn't feelin me back in the day 
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