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SPIN: Boyz II Men vs. Jodeci vs. H-Town vs. Silk
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I threw silk on there cuz their catalog holds up, and they managed to pop off in the next millennium.
among other reasons.
h-town isn't on silk's level now?
I think youre under-stating how big h-town was.
@spliz
no, im not throwing in other groups just for the sake of being different. I just like to look at things more objectively. most people tend to run with jodeci or boyz II men simply because theyre bigger names or the safe picks. not saying that's what you or anybody else in here is doing. just speaking in general.
I mean, I knew this was gonna come down to boyz II men & jodeci, but I threw h-town & silk in there to make it more interesting and see how many votes they can steal. truth be told, if you want to go album-for-album, you could easily put h-town & silk ahead of both jodeci & boyz II men.
and its like yall are saying about boyz II men having a bigger machine than jodeci. well the same applies to these groups. AT LEAST JODECI HAD A BIG MACHINE BEHIND THEM. it may not have been as big as the laface machine but at the end of the day, jodeci was on uptown records. there was no label bigger than uptown with the urban crowd back then. LA Reid himself even got on tv and said that even tho laface did the bigger numbers, uptown had the impact and held the crown. andre Harrell, puffy, heavy d, etc were behind them. im looking at some of these posts and people are acting like jodeci was signed to some rinky-dink label. nah. they were signed to THEE label.
so the same stuff that's said about boyz II men having an advantage over jodeci, also applies to jodeci having an advantage over the others. silk had keith sweat but there was no big machine behind keith sweat's stable. and h-town's business was just bad all-around. they were signed to a rap label, and eventually got their careers sabotaged by the label.
no, im not throwing in other groups just for the sake of being different. I just like to look at things more objectively. most people tend to run with jodeci or boyz II men simply because theyre bigger names or the safe picks. not saying that's what you or anybody else in here is doing. just speaking in general.
I mean, I knew this was gonna come down to boyz II men & jodeci, but I threw h-town & silk in there to make it more interesting and see how many votes they can steal. truth be told, if you want to go album-for-album, you could easily put h-town & silk ahead of both jodeci & boyz II men.
and its like yall are saying about boyz II men having a bigger machine than jodeci. well the same applies to these groups. AT LEAST JODECI HAD A BIG MACHINE BEHIND THEM. it may not have been as big as the laface machine but at the end of the day, jodeci was on uptown records. there was no label bigger than uptown with the urban crowd back then. LA Reid himself even got on tv and said that even tho laface did the bigger numbers, uptown had the impact and held the crown. andre Harrell, puffy, heavy d, etc were behind them. im looking at some of these posts and people are acting like jodeci was signed to some rinky-dink label. nah. they were signed to THEE label.
so the same stuff that's said about boyz II men having an advantage over jodeci, also applies to jodeci having an advantage over the others. silk had keith sweat but there was no big machine behind keith sweat's stable. and h-town's business was just bad all-around. they were signed to a rap label, and eventually got their careers sabotaged by the label.
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spliz
SplizThaDon
I feel u..either way I feel Jodeci was more talented than the other 2...they did a lot of their own shyt in house..and if u would've threw Toni Tony Tone into it than it would've been a landslide imo...
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daboywonder2002
Superstar
bro call me crazy. but to me, boyz 2 men had the better bedroom jams. while jodeci had the better love /marriage/.
boyz 2 men- 50 candles, uhh ahh, ill make love to you, lonely heart(that intro with mike talking is killer)
jodeci- forever my lady, love u for life, all my life(not a jodeci song but still gotta put it up there)
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im rockin wit jodeci cuz to be honest these ninjas were the first thugged out r&b dudes
that sh!t was pretty cool if you ask me
im rockin wit jodeci cuz to be honest these ninjas were the first thugged out r&b dudes
that sh!t was pretty cool if you ask me
Jone2three45
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I think you're missing the point my dude. Jodeci didn't have that machine behind them like Boyz II Men did. Jodeci was on uptown records, and that's it. They didn't have much access to extras like Boyz II Men did. Uptown consisted of Al b Sure, Father MC, Christopher Williams, Mary, a very young Puff & Andre Harell. Many of these people were either rookies or only had a few years experience in the game.
Boyz II Men on the other hand had a HUGE machine behind them. They were signed to Motown Records, one of the most successful, influential record labels in the history of music period. If they needed Smokey Robinson, or even Stevie to write for them, they had that access. Also Boyz II Men were put on by Bell Biv Devoe/New Edition who were already like 10 years in the game with a lot of music experience, knowledge and most importantly, connects in the business. New Edition and Bobby Brown put out albums in 1988, that had huge pop cross over r&b records that were produced by at that time the hottest people in not just urban music, but music period. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis who produced Janet's Control in 1986 (sold 6 milly, five top 5 pop hits), and Rhythm Nation in 1989 (the biggest selling album in the United States in 1990, and had seven top 5 pop hits include four #1 ...no album to date has seven top 5 pop hits as far as i can remember). Also Bobby's Don't Be Cruel album in 1989 (or 1988) was the biggest selling album (not in r&b, but it ALL of music) in the US was mostly produced by Babyface (and Teddy Riley). And of course Babyface had multiple hits with many artists (New Edition, Bobby Brown, Johnny Gill, Karyn White, After 7, etc and the list goes on). These guys were already legendary status and anything that touched was so hot you would burn your fingers. Sought out after by pop acts too, they had multiple awards, accolades, hits, plaques, you name it. That machine to what Jodeci was behind is like comparing a watermelon to a grape, yet Jodeci was still able to be successful in R&B and in the pop world to a lesser extent.
Uptown was hot, but it didn't have what Laface had in terms of making that pop sh1t to collect that big paycheck with endless zeros. That's why the label folded early and mary even left cause she knew,...Puff eventualyl let and started bad boy..... because they wasn't making no money like other labels were... While Laface was still going on and in later years signed Toni Braxton, TLC, Usher etc. and Motown (Boyz II Mens label at the time) always reinvented themselves eventually signing Erykah Badu, & I think Brian McKnight was there too. I remember when Boyz II Men was doing the 3rd album these n1ggas had a damn press conference. really? a press conference? smh... and it flopped compared to their II album. Boyz II Men was huge, and even sang at the Olympics in ATL, Grammys etc sang for Michael Jordan when he was retiring, broke billboard records like 3 times etc. all this of course helps them be "bigger", but they owe a large part of that success to their producers and writers, new edition etc. that put them at the top. I doubt they could of done any of that using the same machine jodeci had.
You can't compare a small label like Uptown To Motown bruh, or even LaFace
Boyz II Men just had a huge machine and connects in the biz.(Excuse any typing errors, Im typing on a smartphone. lol.)
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Also I think why people including me say Jodeci >>>> Boyz II Men is the musicianship they displayed. Jodeci was on a hot label at the time, Uptown records, but they did most of the work themselves and didn't rely on others as much as Boyz II Men did. Mostly in house work, and they were able to create a large successful following, fan base and a steady career in their time.
Jodeci also didn't have the big budget music videos like Boyz II Men (look how cheaply the Come & Talk To Me video is...)... but still were able to work what they got and make it big. Come & Talk To Me was ranked the #1 R&B song of the year 1992 by Billboard....End Of The Road (a HUGELY successful song) was ranked 4th, and my n1ggas Mint Condition "Pretty Brown Eyes" was ranked 6th. It's different strokes for different folks.
Jodeci also didn't have the big budget music videos like Boyz II Men (look how cheaply the Come & Talk To Me video is...)... but still were able to work what they got and make it big. Come & Talk To Me was ranked the #1 R&B song of the year 1992 by Billboard....End Of The Road (a HUGELY successful song) was ranked 4th, and my n1ggas Mint Condition "Pretty Brown Eyes" was ranked 6th. It's different strokes for different folks.
///Vega+++
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Uncle Trill
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Yeah but all boys 2 mens songs are simpy, you cant fukk to a b2m song, you can make love to it, but you cant fukk to it.
Jodeci keep it g, even on their love jams. B2m have no sex appeal in their music no homo.
Rocket Scientist
Superstar
H Town
Jodeci
Boyz II Men
Silk
Jodeci
Boyz II Men
Silk
Jodeci all day.
I'll just say this....Back in 1999, when Silk should have been fall off status.....They dropped an album that platinum.
I'll just say this....Back in 1999, when Silk should have been fall off status.....They dropped an album that platinum.
I think you're missing the point my dude. Jodeci didn't have that machine behind them Boyz II Men did. Jodeci was on uptown record, and that's it. They didn't have much access like Boyz II Men did. Uptown consisted of Al b Sure, Father MC, Christopher Williams, Mary, a very young Puff, Andre Harell. Many of these people were rookies are only with a few years experience in the game.
Boyz II Men on the other hand had a HUGE machine behind them. They were signed to Motown Records, one of the most successful, influential record labels in the history of music period. If they needed Smokey Robinson, or even Stevie to write for them, they had that access. Also Boyz II Men were put on by Bell Biv Devoe/New Edition who were already like 10 years in the game with a lot of music experience, knowledge and most importantly, connects in the business. New Edition and Bobby Brown put out albums in 1988, that had huge pop cross over r&b records that were produced by at that time the hottest people in not just urban music, but music period. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis who produced Janet Control in 1986 (sold 6 milly), and Rhythm Nation in 1989 (the biggest selling album in the United States in 1990). Also Bobby's Don't Be Cruel album in 1989 (or 1988) was the biggest selling album (not in r&b, but it ALL of music) in the US was mostly produced by Babyface (and Teddy Riley). And of course Babyface had multiple hits with many artists (New Edition, Bobby Brown Johnny Gill, Karyn White, After 7, etc and the list goes on). These guys were already legendary status and anything that touched was so hot you would burn your fingers. Sought out after by pop acts, they had multiple awards, accolades, you name it. That machine to what Jodeci was behind is like comparing a watermelon to a grape, yet Jodeci was still able to be success in R&B and in the pop world to a lesser extent.
Uptown was hot, but it didn't have what Laface has in terms of making that pop sh1t to collect that paycheck. That's why the label folded early, because they wasn't making no money like other labels were... While Laface was still going on and in later years signed Toni Braxton, TLC, Usher etc. and Motown (Boyz II Mens label at the time) always reinvented themselves eventually signing Erykah Badu, & I think Brian McKnight was there too. I remember when Boyz II Men was doing the 3rd album these n1ggas had a damn press conference. really? a press conference? smh... and it flopped compared to their II album. Boyz II Men was huge, and even sang at the Olympics, Grammys etc sang for Michael Jordan when he was retiring etc. all this is of course helps them be "bigger", but they owe a large part of that success to their producers and writers, new edition etc. that put them at the top.
You can't compare a small label like Uptown To Motown bruh, or even LaFace
(Excuse any typing errors, Im typing on a smartphone. lol.)
boyz ii men definitely had more resources, i mean every song sounded like a babyface ballad pretty much. Jodeci had devante swing who was just amazing in the production of their songs. I think eventually boyz ii men just did too much ballads and faded away with their image, the same time the whole bad boys gangsta thing was poppin up