Spike Lee's going in on Black Brit actors

[Kuwka_Atcha_Ratcha]

THEY ALL THINK LIKE THIS.

CLOSE THIS fukkING THREAD.



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No they dont, those c00ns do but thats not all, c00ns live everywhere n those r harewoods

 

[Kuwka_Atcha_Ratcha]

No, read it again ,those quotes are Harewood's not David O.'s



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Like Oyelowo, however, he said he felt that, as an outsider, he had brought something particular and fresh to the civil rights leader’s story.

He writes: “When I played King I wasn’t playing a civil rights legend, I was playing a man with tired smelly feet, who was anxious, proud, horny and flirtatious. I wasn’t saddled with the idea of this being sacred territory as perhaps an ‘American brother’ would have [been]. To me it was sheer performance.”

EXACTLY

 

[Kuwka_Atcha_Ratcha]

A black american, black jamaican, black irishman, black jamaican, black frenchman, black indian, black russian, black canadian are all my black brothers

4uk division of black people

 

[Rapmastermind]

No, read it again ,those quotes are Harewood's not David O.'s



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Like Oyelowo, however, he said he felt that, as an outsider, he had brought something particular and fresh to the civil rights leader’s story.

He writes: “When I played King I wasn’t playing a civil rights legend, I was playing a man with tired smelly feet, who was anxious, proud, horny and flirtatious. I wasn’t saddled with the idea of this being sacred territory as perhaps an ‘American brother’ would have [been]. To me it was sheer performance.”

Your right about that, He was talking about doing it on stage play in Europe. When I read the article I thought they were referencing Oyelowo comments since I know he never played MLK on Big screen. So David O. didn't say anything out of pocket in that article, I stand corrected. Anyways the fact he said that statement too is bad. My overall point is Spike and Sam is speaking on an important issue about Black Americans not being left out to tell our stories. John Singleton was an advocate of this as well. I don't even think the debate was about Black Brits working as Spike has work with some of them in the past. It was more about dealing with this idea that Black American's aren't "good enough" for telling their own stories because they didn't work on a European stage. Or that Black Brits are better because they aren't tied to American History's baggage as David said.

 

[DaRealness]

Thanks for posting the link, it gives context to the dialogue of the clip.
Harewood is 100% wrong here, though. In fact his comment is foolish. He would have been better off saying that in a case by case basis, the UK actors are just hitting home runs in the auditions. (or scoring goals would be a more culturally appropriate term). To me, that's only the real legit response that a Brit actor could make to any of the criticism.

Harewood was hurt by the comments from SLJ, and apparently created a bogus counter argument.

I'm on record in this thread calling Spike out for his hypocrisy on this topic, and I stand behind that, but Harewood sounds like a clown,here.

Harewood is one person, yet Spike gets his revenge by taking shots at a whole group rather than going at the individual who said dumb shyt.

He was just over here some months back all hugged up on the actors from Yardie (the movie Idris directed) and had Chiwetel Efiojor as one of the main actors in Inside Man, plus the black community over here has been supporting his movies from day one.

Regardless, it wasn't us that started this whole b.s.....

 

[CHICAGO]

A black american, black jamaican, black irishman, black jamaican, black frenchman, black indian, black russian, black canadian are all my black brothers

4uk division of black people

WE ARE BROTHERS
BUT THIS RELATIONSHIP HAS ALWAYS BEEN ONE SIDED....

EVERYONE YOU LISTED HAS EATEN OFF AFRICAN AMERICANS...

WHEN WILL THIS shyt BE RECIPROCATED?

WE HAVE ALWAYS EXTENDED A HAND TO BLACKS FROM EVERY WHERE
AND ALWAYS GOTTEN THE TREATMENT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

NOW nikkaS GETTING FED UP.

WE WONT BE THE STEPPING STONES FOR BLACKS GLOBALLY ANYMORE.



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[Kuwka_Atcha_Ratcha]

WE ARE BROTHERS
BUT THIS RELATIONSHIP HAS ALWAYS BEEN ONE SIDED....

EVERYONE YOU LISTED HAS EATEN OFF AFRICAN AMERICANS...

WHEN WILL THIS shyt BE RECIPROCATED?

WE HAVE ALWAYS EXTENDED A HAND TO BLACKS FROM EVERY WHERE
AND ALWAYS GOTTEN THE TREATMENT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

NOW nikkaS GETTING FED UP.

WE WONT BE THE STEPPING STONES FOR BLACKS GLOBALLY ANYMORE.



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Ive already explained americans cant do emglish accents so how can you expect them to do emglish roles?

 

[get these nets]

Your right about that, He was talking about doing it on stage play in Europe. When I read the article I thought they were referencing Oyelowo comments since I know he never played MLK on Big screen. So David O. didn't say anything out of pocket in that article, I stand corrected. Anyways the fact he said that statement too is bad. My overall point is Spike and Sam is speaking on an important issue about Black Americans not being left out to tell our stories. John Singleton was an advocate of this as well. I don't even think the debate was about Black Brits working as Spike has work with some of them in the past. It was more about dealing with this idea that Black American's aren't "good enough" for telling their own stories because they didn't work on a European stage. Or that Black Brits are better because they aren't tied to American History's baggage as David said.

Harewood's comments in the article are foolish. Samuel Jackson paid his stage dues for years, is one of the greatest actors in history, and one of the most commercially successful ones. SLJ is THAT dude, period.
The typical rebuttals wouldn't have applied, so Harewood had to come up with something else to say.

I aired out Spike earlier in this thread because out of HIS own mouth, the "Brits are better trained" line was said when he was promoting Da Sweet Blood of Jesus.(and he was feeling heat for casting a Brit in one of the leads).
The original video that accompanied the article was scrubbed from the net, probably at Spike's request after the backlash to his comments

So the obvious shot at Brit actors in Spike's tv series seemed to have been a hypocrite move from Spike. hoping that people forgot his comments from 2015.

Since this is the film section, I expect this thread to be filled with fans of cinema history, so I expected the conversation to be placed in context of film history. Fans of American cinema have heard the 70s action stars speak about the lessons learned from the rise and fall of blaxploitation era.

 

[Kuwka_Atcha_Ratcha]

Black ppl wid be unstable if we united

 

[get these nets]

Harewood is one person, yet Spike gets his revenge by taking shots at a whole group rather than going at the individual who said dumb shyt.

He was just over here some months back all hugged up on the actors from Yardie (the movie Idris directed) and had Chiwetel Efiojor as one of the main actors in Inside Man, plus the black community over here has been supporting his movies from day one.

Regardless, it wasn't us that started this whole b.s.....

Spike is a BRILLIANT artist. He's a self promoter before anything though. He's been able to get 1000x more publicity for his film projects by interviews and quotes than whatever the marketing budgets for his films. Very smart man in that regard.
But because he's a self promoter.....he's gonna say or do things on the record, that he will contradict later.

Here's an example
cued
(he's asked about a speech he gave at the NAACP Image awards about validation from others, listen to what he SAYS)

Spoiler: watch what he DOES

you already know

 

[Rapmastermind]

Harewood's comments in the article are foolish. Samuel Jackson paid his stage dues for years, is one of the greatest actors in history, and one of the most commercially successful ones. SLJ is THAT dude, period.
The typical rebuttals wouldn't have applied, so Harewood had to come up with something else to say.

I aired out Spike earlier in this thread because out of HIS own mouth, the "Brits are better trained" line was said when he was promoting Da Sweet Blood of Jesus.(and he was feeling heat for casting a Brit in one of the leads).
The original video that accompanied the article was scrubbed from the net, probably at Spike's request after the backlash to his comments

So the obvious shot at Brit actors in Spike's tv series seemed to have been a hypocrite move from Spike. hoping that people forgot his comments from 2015.

Since this is the film section, I expect this thread to be filled with fans of cinema history, so I expected the conversation to be placed in context of film history. Fans of American cinema have heard the 70s action stars speak about the lessons learned from the rise and fall of blaxploitation era.

Maybe the Sam drama caused Spike to change his tune. People did attack Sam over those comments. But Spike has hired Black people from all over the world in his films. I think people hated the "Stockholm" comment. But for anyone to call Black Americans Xenophobic is ridiculous. We have laid the ground for Black People everywhere to come here and eat and get cream from several different industries including Hollywood. It's so much easier to come to America and act post Blackface, Mammy-ism, Stepin fetchin, Amos & Andy and Blaxploation etc. What David H. Said was disrespectful even if he was mad at Sam. There is nothing to "Unshackle" from period. Black Americans deal with this 24/7. We don't get a day off to be "Unshackled" from American racism. It comes off very elitist.

I always hated hearing the whole "Black Americans aren't classically trained so They can't do Black American better we can". Listen to how insane that sounds? It Never made any sense at all. I also hate the "Black American Accents are easy". Which isn't true and minimizes our distinct dialects in different regions. A Black New Yorker doesn't sound like a Black Person from the South. Remember this isn't about a Black Brit being in any type of role. The drama comes from authentic Black American Story type of roles (Selma, Harriet Tubman etc). "Get Out" wasn't a historical film but a horror but the actually theme was about Black American Racism specifically. That's all Sam was getting at. It's clear by that clip that Spike is siding with Sam's POV and using the David H article to have a commentary on the subject.

 

[Brer Dog]

How is it any different from a black person claiming america?

Why does any group in the diaspora claim the country they're in? because their familys have been there for 100s years/since the founding of their country. And Their Ethnogenesis happend there/ their ethnic group is native to said country.

Now how the hell is this the same as 2nd, 3rd and in some cases 1st gen africans and Caribbeans claiming and identifying with a European country they have no real ties to? Stop with the false equivalency bs.

You probably lying about all this traveling you be doing anyway. Just like you did about changing your "slave name" and being West Indian

I love how you ducked this part of the post

 

[Kuwka_Atcha_Ratcha]

Why does any group in the diaspora claim the country they're in? because their familys have been there for 100s years/since the founding of their country. And Their Ethnogenesis happend there/ their ethnic group is native to said country.

Now how the hell is this the same as 2nd, 3rd and in some cases 1st gen africans and Caribbeans claiming and identifying with a European country they have no real ties to? Stop with the false equivalency bs.



I love how you ducked this part of the post

There are loads of 4th gen black people

Also i know 2nd gen jamaicans in new york that claim american. So are they not american? Even tho they and their parents are american?

Also alot of 3rd gen carribbeans actually have mix and literal english grandparents from 100s of years ago

 

[CHICAGO]

Why does any group in the diaspora claim the country they're in? because their familys have been there for 100s years/since the founding of their country. And Their Ethnogenesis happend there/ their ethnic group is native to said country.

Now how the hell is this the same as 2nd, 3rd and in some cases 1st gen africans and Caribbeans claiming and identifying with a European country they have no real ties to? Stop with the false equivalency bs.



I love how you ducked this part of the post

LMAO EXACTLY.

BLACKS BEEN IN AMERICA BEFORE AMERICA EXISTED
AND THE SAME GOES FOR THE REST OF THE DIASPORA.

1ST, 2ND, GENERATION AFRICANS DONT REP AMERICA.

THEY STILL REP NIGERIA, GHANA, SOMOLIA ETC.



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[CHICAGO]

There are loads of 4th gen black people

Also i know 2nd gen jamaicans in new york that claim american. So are they not american? Even tho they and their parents are american?

Also alot of 3rd gen carribbeans actually have mix and literal english grandparents from 100s of years ago

YOU DONT KNOW ANY fukkING 2ND GEN JAMAICANS THAT REP AMERICA OVER JAMAICA.





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