"Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse" 2018 animated film thread

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One grip that I had was during Kingpin commemorating Spiderman's death. Him doing it wasn't really a surprise or anything, nor was the grip, but my grip was that Mary Jane was seemingly alright with this. In this point of the universe, MJ was established as being his wife/widow here and she seems to have stated nothing ill about Kingpin doing his funeral. Not to say that she could've suspected Kingpin being behind his death, per say, but I'm sure she had to have known from Peter how villainous Kingpin really was, yet she didn't mention anything about him doing this and it not at all being a farce to her in some accord. Her going along with it is one thing, but no mention of her thinking it being questionable seemed off to me. Unless I missed something here.

Anyone else feel differently?

Yeah it didn't bug me because I can see her going through with it just because it would bring attention to her husband's life and his heroics, regardless of who it was. I can't see Peter keeping a secret like that from her, regarding who Wilson Fisk really was, but I can see MJ going about her business how she did in order to maintain appearances and keep out from under his radar
 

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Yeah it didn't bug me because I can see her going through with it just because it would bring attention to her husband's life and his heroics, regardless of who it was. I can't see Peter keeping a secret like that from her, regarding who Wilson Fisk really was, but I can see MJ going about her business how she did in order to maintain appearances and keep out from under his radar

Yeah, going along with it I was fine with, but a mere mention of it in some capacity that she felt questionable about his motives with it would've seemed apropos IMO. I had one other gripe, but I can't even remember what it was. I need to go rewatch the movie soon tho. Hopefully it's still in IMAX when I go.
 

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Why are we comparing animation to live action flicks ?? theyre not in the same scope neither do they both experience the same barriers to creating.. its unfair. animation has the world at it's disposal to create and imagine up different things. while live action is very limited alongside cgi which can only be used so much before it gets iffy
 

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Why are we comparing animation to live action flicks ?? theyre not in the same scope neither do they both experience the same barriers to creating.. its unfair. animation has the world at it's disposal to create and imagine up different things. while live action is very limited alongside cgi which can only be used so much before it gets iffy

Because storytelling is the same. Yes there are visual things you can’t do in live action that you can in animation, but those visual things mean nothing if the storytelling isn’t there. The scene where miles takes his leap of faith is beautiful visually but it would just be eye candy if the storytelling before that scene dope and didn’t hook you. That’s what a movie should do. It’s why beauty and the beast or toy story 3 can be nominated for best picture oscars; the level of storytelling all around competed on the level of live action flicks.
 

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Because storytelling is the same. Yes there are visual things you can’t do in live action that you can in animation, but those visual things mean nothing if the storytelling isn’t there. The scene where miles takes his leap of faith is beautiful visually but it would just be eye candy if the storytelling before that scene dope and didn’t hook you. That’s what a movie should do. It’s why beauty and the beast or toy story 3 can be nominated for best picture oscars; the level of storytelling all around competed on the level of live action flicks.

bro, i GET that. im saying, why are we comparing Spider verse to Infinity War, Aquaman, Black Panther etc..

story telling aside.. you can't do the same thing in live action that you can with animation... you think that leap of faith would translate the same if done live action..

just makes no sense to me.
 

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bro, i GET that. im saying, why are we comparing Spider verse to Infinity War, Aquaman, Black Panther etc..

story telling aside.. you can't do the same thing in live action that you can with animation... you think that leap of faith would translate the same if done live action..

just makes no sense to me.

I just explained why the comparisons are being made tho. When the guys at Pixar or Sony Animation or WB or whomever make an animated movie, they aren't setting out to make an animated movie; they just want to make a movie and animation is the medium. So by that standard, you can compare them to anything else. If you know that UP or Toy Story 3 or Beauty and the Beast or anything else can be compared to their contemporaries at the time, which aren't animated, then why can't this movie be compared to any other comic book movie?
 

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I think the movie's most brilliant achievement was transforming Spider-Man from a mere extension of the Peter Parker character into a genuine archetype. Cf. Superman and Batman; the characters of Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne merely exist as extensions of their costumes; mere after thoughts; this allows for a certain amount of flexibility in storytelling. Spider-Man, on the other hand, is the story of Peter Parker. The problem is after 50 years of comics and 16 years of movies, everyone knows Peter's story; who he hates, who he bangs, etc. etc. The returns are diminishing. ISV cuts the Gordian knot, and shatters the dependence of the franchise on the Parker character, an extremely bold choice, one that should be followed by more superhero franchises (the Batman/Bruce Wayne dynamic is stale as fukk, for instance).
 
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