Spectre: Bond 24 Official Thread

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Ima rewatch Skyfall breh. I only seen it once tbh.

Also, I think the ending of Quantum works too. Both of them rely on emotional payoffs and they worked for me. Plus that whole ending with him walking into the old MI6 office in Skyfall always gets me. Only thing missing was him tossing a hat on a rack
 

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Also, I think the ending of Quantum works too. Both of them rely on emotional payoffs and they worked for me. Plus that whole ending with him walking into the old MI6 office in Skyfall always gets me. Only thing missing was him tossing a hat on a rack
I might have given Skyfall unfair treatment cause of the home alone sequence. I'm in Bond mode right now, so I'm gonna rewatch all 3 this week. Been watching the old ones lately.
 

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Definitely agree with everything you said here, I wasn't gushing over skyfalls second half but to be honest, what elevated skyfall for me was the cinematography. I'm a huge cinematog head and Deakins fukking KILLED skyfall man. It's one of my favorite movies in terms of cinematography. There are so many cool shots in that movie. that scene where they're fighting in front of the LED light so it just looks like two shadows fighting is one of the coolest shots I've ever seen

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It was a psychedelic with a nod to the OG Connery Bonds, one of my favorite scenes from Skyfall.

One of the funny scenes from Spectre:
[Swan walks through the train aisle]
Swan: "You don't have to stand"
Bond: "Not when you are dressed like that"

If we are doing a grand Bond Analysis, many fans feel this was worse than:
A View To A Kill (58 Year Old Roger Moore)
Die Another Day (Ice Palace and awful Halle Berry)
Diamonds Are Forever (Bambi and Thumper)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Lazenby had no charisma as Bond)
(Dalton Bonds get a pass because they set a bar that only Craig can get near)

Those were the last films the respective actors played Bond and they were universally awful save for Dalton.

I fail to see how Swan was a weak Bond girl, she called Bond on his BS, was willing to put in work against Spectre Goons, and didn't play the victim as many Bond Girls tend to do. This was firing on all cylinders for me, but we'll see how it ages overall.
 

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Not a film geek breh. Still tryna get in the class. Never seen Straw Dogs. Old or new.

Read this article..along with this tweet:russ:



Is drawing a comparison between Skyfall and Home Alone really enough to discredit a film critic entirely? Smith certainly thinks so. I reached out to him via e-mail and asked if he would mind explaining further, and he graciously responded and said I could quote him in this article. Here's part of his e-mailed response:
"It is a facile, ignorant comparison. Skyfall ends with a siege that requires an outgunned and outnumbered Bond to repel invaders via the use of improvised weaponry and traps. Pick ten westerns at random, and you're likely to find one that ends with a handful of good guys - low on ammo, relying on ingenuity - defending the homestead from a legion of bad guys.

But the obvious point of reference - frankly, the only point of reference - for Skyfall's finale is Sam Peckinpah's Straw Dogs. Geographically (U.K.) and practically (the traps are crude and lethal), it's the only comparison that makes sense. I suppose you might consider Home Alone at some point, but for that to be your first point of reference reveals a gaping hole in your film education. Fine for a casual audience member, inexcusable for a film critic. It'd be like accusing a horror film with a shower kill of ripping off Vacation."

I think it's important to point out that Jeremy draws a very important line in the sand when he separates critics from "casual audience members," but I still think he's being a bit harsh (more on that in a second). Colleague Drew McWeeny from Hitfix also chimed in on the matter last Friday with this tweet:



McWeeny and Smith are both writers for whom I have a tremendous amount of respect, but I think the issue comes down to cinematic reference points. Yes, a lot of younger reviewers need to expand their cultural horizons and venture back to see films made before the 1980s. But even film critics (or paid movie bloggers, or whatever they'd like to be called) don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of every movie ever made, and since we all grew up with different backgrounds and went through different walks of life, even if we've seen a lot of the same movies, the age at which we see them can sometimes give a film more impact than another.

Sam Peckinpah's 1971 psychological thriller is a slow burn, unhinged, often-disturbing study of what it means to be a man. Chris Columbus' film is a family friendly holiday movie that made a lasting impression on a lot of younger writers during their childhoods. Is it so far-fetched a younger generation would recall Kevin McCallister's hijinks over those of Dustin Hoffman's David Sumner as he fends off attackers from his English cottage? Just because someone makes a comparison to Home Alone doesn't mean they haven't seen Straw Dogs, only perhaps that the former movie made more of an impact at the time of watching.

I've seen Straw Dogs, but I'll sheepishly admit that Home Alone was the first film to come to mind when I was sitting in the theater watching Bond and M lay those traps in the house. Though I didn't make that specific comparison in my own review, I don't think every other point I made should be tossed to the side if I did. The democratization of film criticism (or discussion) has made it so anyone of any age with an internet connection can share their thoughts on any movie, and while I agree that people who purport to be critics should definitely educate themselves to make their writing better, sometimes there are movies that simply slip through our mind's cracks.

Editorial: 007's 'Skyfall', 'Home Alone' and Cinematic Reference Points
 

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One of the funny scenes from Spectre:
[Swan walks through the train aisle]
Swan: "You don't have to stand"
Bond: "Not when you are dressed like that"

I fail to see how Swan was a weak Bond girl, she called Bond on his BS, was willing to put in work against Spectre Goons, and didn't play the victim as many Bond Girls tend to do. This was firing on all cylinders for me, but we'll see how it ages overall.
:salute:She def did the damn thing in this minus kicking ass. But Bond skipped that lesson on the train. And I actually didnt roll my eyes when she wanted to tag along to meet the villain like other movies.
 
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It was a psychedelic with a nod to the OG Connery Bonds, one of my favorite scenes from Skyfall.

One of the funny scenes from Spectre:
[Swan walks through the train aisle]
Swan: "You don't have to stand"
Bond: "Not when you are dressed like that"

If we are doing a grand Bond Analysis, many fans feel this was worse than:
A View To A Kill (58 Year Old Roger Moore)
Die Another Day (Ice Palace and awful Halle Berry)
Diamonds Are Forever (Bambi and Thumper)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Lazenby had no charisma as Bond)
(Dalton Bonds get a pass because they set a bar that only Craig can get near)

Those were the last films the respective actors played Bond and they were universally awful save for Dalton.

I fail to see how Swan was a weak Bond girl, she called Bond on his BS, was willing to put in work against Spectre Goons, and didn't play the victim as many Bond Girls tend to do. This was firing on all cylinders for me, but we'll see how it ages overall.

I'd say she was "weak" because we were supposed to believe that she was the one who'd inspire him to quit again; that their "love affair" was as serious as he and Vesper and that she'd be the girl to make him question what he wants to do with his life and consider something else. And I read that the original script ended with him telling her "we have all the time in the world" so initially, he was going to quit and they were no doubt setting up a proper Diamonds Are Forever type flick with him going after Blofeld for killing her because there will definitely be repercussions to letting him live.

But I don't blame that on her, I just blame it on the writing. Her "I love you" wasn't earned at all
 

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I'd say she was "weak" because we were supposed to believe that she was the one who'd inspire him to quit again; that their "love affair" was as serious as he and Vesper and that she'd be the girl to make him question what he wants to do with his life and consider something else. And I read that the original script ended with him telling her "we have all the time in the world" so initially, he was going to quit and they were no doubt setting up a proper Diamonds Are Forever type flick with him going after Blofeld for killing her because there will definitely be repercussions to letting him live.

But I don't blame that on her, I just blame it on the writing. Her "I love you" wasn't earned at all
:patrice:The movie was too long but at the same time should have expanded on some more character development with Bautista, Swan and Waltz. But I enjoyed it. The retro helicopter fight at the start made me go ape. It had my approval from early on. I didnt even catch the I love you at the end breh.:skip: I was ready to dip.
 

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:patrice:The movie was too long but at the same time should have expanded on some more character development with Bautista, Swan and Waltz. But I enjoyed it. The retro helicopter fight made me go ape shyt early on. It had my approval from early on. I didnt even catch the I love you at the end breh.:skip: I was ready to dip.:beli:

She said it to him when he was in the torture chair breh. Right before he said "I could never forget your face" They'd spent all of 2 or 3 days together, had one serious (but brief) convo and now she's in loooooooooove. Now normally, I'd let it rock but because they were really setting her up as a mirror to Vesper, including asking James the same question Vesper did, I gotta call foul on it. The thing with he and Vesper was clearly better written and set up so again I don't blame the actors at all. Still enjoyed the movie a whole lot but I gotta call that one
 

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She said it to him when he was in the torture chair breh. Right before he said "I could never forget your face" They'd spent all of 2 or 3 days together, had one serious (but brief) convo and now she's in loooooooooove. Now normally, I'd let it rock but because they were really setting her up as a mirror to Vesper, including asking James the same question Vesper did, I gotta call foul on it. The thing with he and Vesper was clearly better written and set up so again I don't blame the actors at all. Still enjoyed the movie a whole lot but I gotta call that one
:ld:Yea, I was wondering to myself during that scene if it was gonna ruin the whole movie cause it was so random. nikka rolled up to Dr. Evil's base after getting picked up at some random ass train stop. Then after Waltz gives him the grand tour, he in a torture chair. That shyt was amazing and stupid at the same time. Villains need to start stripping their victim's before they bound them to a chair. I mean he's James fukking Bond. Obviously his watch gon do some shyt. That desert part was QoS final showdown bad. But them bringing it back to London made up for it. Ralph, Q and Money played nice roles in this too.
 

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Im getting tired of the so called count down bomb in movies.. yall kill everybody else on the spot instantly.. but, do a count down bomb to try and kill Bond..lol

reminds me of the 1970s batman show..

These movies are so predictable
 

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She said it to him when he was in the torture chair breh. Right before he said "I could never forget your face" They'd spent all of 2 or 3 days together, had one serious (but brief) convo and now she's in loooooooooove. Now normally, I'd let it rock but because they were really setting her up as a mirror to Vesper, including asking James the same question Vesper did, I gotta call foul on it. The thing with he and Vesper was clearly better written and set up so again I don't blame the actors at all. Still enjoyed the movie a whole lot but I gotta call that one
Agreed. And that's what made Casino Royale so incredible. shyt is just perfect.
 

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Agreed. And that's what made Casino Royale so incredible. shyt is just perfect.

And I think they lost sight of it by trying to juggle a lot of balls. The reason the love story worked so well in casino royale is because they were able to make it a primary focus while not really giving a lot of screen time to MI6. I'm all for using good actors and they have a really good cast so of course you want to give them something to do but that's time they could've devoted to bond and swann and giving their relationship the depth it needed
 
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