South Africa is on the brink of martial law/anarchy

[CHICAGO]

im confused. I see some South Africans on IG who are clearly black by USA standards call themselves coloured.

Aren’t coloureds just blacks who aren’t fully African? Like a lot of light skinned African Americans here would be considered “coloured” in SA

how can they be better than black?

WHY DO YOU CARE?



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[King]

Again, let's not conflate being light skin with having non-black ancestry. I've got light skinned family with zero non-black genetics.

That's a slippery slope, because now you get people like Drake's kid who, according to the American ideology, could easily be considered black. which, as an actual black man, is quite honestly bullshyt.



You haven't met much black South Africans have you?

It’s really not. The child of a biracial and a CAC won’t look remotely black 9/10. Like at all, pretty much to the point where you would have to look into their ancestry or else you would’ve never known. And in that case, I don’t consider them black, so no Drakes son ain’t black. And nah it ain’t “easy” for Drakes son to be considered black. Hopefully that cleared up your misunderstanding of our ideology.


And yeah she don’t look too far off from the South Africans I’ve seen. Y’all acting like she’s some blonde haired blue eyed Taylor swift looking bytch

 

[DoubleClutch]

WHY DO YOU CARE?



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Maybe because it’s free knowledge

Should i not care?

I care about what’s happening to black people on every continent on earth


now ask that same question to everyone else in this thread

 

[CHICAGO]

Maybe because it’s free knowledge

Should i not care?

I care about what’s happening to black people on every continent on earth


now ask that same question to everyone else in this thread

NO THIS IS ABOUT YOU
BEING CONCERNED WITH THE
FACT THOSE MIXED BREEDS
ARENT CLASSIFIED AS BLACK.

WHY DO YOU CARE?
WHAT ARGUMENT ARE
YOU TRYING TO WIN?

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[World'sFinest]

It’s really not. The child of a biracial and a CAC won’t look remotely black 9/10. Like at all, pretty much to the point where you would have to look into their ancestry or else you would’ve never known. And in that case, I don’t consider them black, so no Drakes son ain’t black. And nah it ain’t “easy” for Drakes son to be considered black. Hopefully that cleared up your misunderstanding of our ideology.


And yeah she don’t look too far off from the South Africans I’ve seen. Y’all acting like she’s some blonde haired blue eyed Taylor swift looking bytch

My man, if you can't make the distinction between Khoi/San people and someone with European/Non-black ancestry, it's cool, but we can.

 

[HarlemHottie]

Remember that free people of color in the United States used to see themselves above blacks. Until whites kind of forced them in a way to be with blacks and blacks embraced them, there was going to be that buffer class between whites and blacks.

I could see how you might think so, but no, that was the south which, for a while, followed the Caribbean model. The one drop rule was actually started by northern ados, former Dutch and English slaves of the 17th and 18th c.

Spoiler

These are ados with no history in the south. Most don't even know they existed, which is crazy bc at one point Manhattan's black population was second only to Charleston, SC. I suspect they were subsumed in the Great Migration.

For reference, Sojourner Truth was one of them, enslaved in NY and Dutch was her first language. (Meaning, the 'Ain't I a woman' speech as we know it is not as it was given. She didnt even have a southern accent. )

See: The "1 Drop Rule" explained and how it's tied to AfroAmerican identity

 

[Cape Town JHB]

She’s a well known artist in SA.

Basically is she considered black or coloured?

maybe an actual South African can answer this.

"Wegerif (Sho Madjozi) was born in South Africa to a white father and black Tsonga mother, and grew up in Shirley, a mountain village in the Limpopo province. As a teenager, Wegerif spent several years living in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania."





To me as a South African it's just shocking how the one drop rule is so pervasive in the US, that it's made so many unambiguously black Americans NOT be able to tell a mullato or multu generational mixed person from just looking at them.

It's no Diss, I can tell ANY black person from ANYWHERE.

Example most Eritreans, Somlaians and Ethipoeans etc have Arabic berber mix to them, any black South African can identify admixture in any black person almost as 2nd nature.

People like Chris Brown, Beyonce, Steph Curry etc are obvious multi generational mixed people, and would be classified ANYTHING but Black in South Africa... Its not about them being "colored" it's the fact that they are NOT black

 

[Cape Town JHB]

My man, if you can't make the distinction between Khoi/San people and someone with European/Non-black ancestry, it's cool, but we can.

Also the Khoi San people were hunted by Boers and their skulls collected as souvenir.

The women were raped, there was an introduction of European genetics to the Khoi San people of today, as evidenced with how many of them speak Afrikaans as a 1st language.

So there modern pictures of Khoi San people are not accurate at all, the majority of Khoi San people I've ever seen are bown skinned, "nappy" headed with those "Asian" eyes.


Not yellow/pale.

 

[DoubleClutch]

NO THIS IS ABOUT YOU
BEING CONCERNED WITH THE
FACT THOSE MIXED BREEDS
ARENT CLASSIFIED AS BLACK.

WHY DO YOU CARE?
WHAT ARGUMENT ARE
YOU TRYING TO WIN?

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it was already a topic existing in this thread. I’m just trying to understand the culture of South Africa historically and today I’m comparison with a African American perspective on race

I want a South African to explain to me why mixed breed or even light skinned blacks aren’t considered black or African but a new label “coloured”

what’s the point? Seems like it’s a way to divide instead of unify the black majority

reminds me of what happened in Haiti

But like I said, it’s free knowledge. Since I don’t know any South Africans to ask myself here I am on the Coli

if you can recommend me a good movie or documentary to watch on it

 

[Brer Dog]

People like Chris Brown, Beyonce, Steph Curry etc are obvious multi generational mixed people, and would be classified ANYTHING but Black in South Africa.

 

[DoubleClutch]

"Wegerif (Sho Madjozi) was born in South Africa to a white father and black Tsonga mother, and grew up in Shirley, a mountain village in the Limpopo province. As a teenager, Wegerif spent several years living in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania."





To me as a South African it's just shocking how the one drop rule is so pervasive in the US, that it's made so many unambiguously black Americans NOT be able to tell a mullato or multu generational mixed person from just looking at them.

It's no Diss, I can tell ANY black person from ANYWHERE.

Example most Eritreans, Somlaians and Ethipoeans etc have Arabic berber mix to them, any black South African can identify admixture in any black person almost as 2nd nature.

People like Chris Brown, Beyonce, Steph Curry etc are obvious multi generational mixed people, and would be classified ANYTHING but Black in South Africa... Its not about them being "colored" it's the fact that they are NOT black

this is the response I’m looking for thanks

also I was pretty sure Sho Madjozi had at least a white grand parent that’s why i used her

however he “culture” seems to be black/African not Coloured.

Cause it’s my impression people who are proud to be “coloured” mixed with Indian/Asian/white are more so NOT identifying with African culture so much

Do people even keep their Indian culture typically?

but I’m not South African and never been so I really know nothing

 

[Cape Town JHB]

this is the response I’m looking for thanks

also I was pretty sure Sho Madjozi had at least a white grand parent that’s why i used her

however he “culture” seems to be black/African not Coloured.

Cause it’s my impression people who are proud to be “coloured” mixed with Indian/Asian/white are more so NOT identifying with African culture so much

Do people even keep their Indian culture typically?

but I’m not South African and never been so I really know nothing

Part of her appeal is a "mullato who's gone native", she speaks multiple "Black" languages, "acts black" etc

So black people always feel extra validated when a mullato or white person does anything "black".

I remember years ago there was some house group whose lead singer was some chubby white Portuguese - South African guy who "danced black" (was married to a black woman too ) and black South Africans embraced him on a pathologically pathetic level.


The reason coloredes in SA can't copy black culture is coz they have no fukking rhythm, can't make dope music, can't dance, not enough juice to carry any popular culture.

If they could replace us they would

 

[Cape Town JHB]

it was already a topic existing in this thread. I’m just trying to understand the culture of South Africa historically and today I’m comparison with a African American perspective on race

I want a South African to explain to me why mixed breed or even light skinned blacks aren’t considered black or African but a new label “coloured”

what’s the point? Seems like it’s a way to divide instead of unify the black majority

reminds me of what happened in Haiti

But like I said, it’s free knowledge. Since I don’t know any South Africans to ask myself here I am on the Coli

if you can recommend me a good movie or documentary to watch on it

There's a black American guy I met in Johannesburg from Baltimore. He is unambiguously black, deep brown witb deadlocks.
I thought he was a regular black South African.
He is related somehow some way to Tank Davis the boxer. (we talked some boxing when we met coz I'm a casual Follower of boxing).

Anyway, I asked if people ever came up to him and IMMEDIATELY greeted or started speaking in Zulu? He said "that happens all the time, and then they get confused and then excited when they hear I'm American".

I asked him "do you think your cousin Tank Davis would ever have someone mistake him for Zulu?".. The answer is no.

I think this is what causes a lot of confusion for black American brehs.

You have siblings in your family that could come to SA, and one would be assumed black and another would be assumed as colored.
If you look black you're black, if you look mixed, you're mixed.

As an outsider what I've seen in America is that they are replacing authentic unambiguous black people over there, with a one-drop mixed group as the FACE of what a black American is.
From Obama to Beyonce, from Halle Barry to Kamala Harriss.

White people over there have sort of made mullatos the FACE of Black America.
I always felt the long term agenda was to truly create a hybrid mixed race class and breed out the African genes completely.

But black American brehs get emotional about it coz they have siblings, or parent or grandparent that basically looks or is a multi generational mullato.
Also some of the greatest "civil rights" leaders have been multi generational mixed breeds like Malcom X.
Great authors and writers like August Wilson (German father) who've made a great contribution on the African experience Black American experience.

So I get why. But I don't wanna wake up in 50 years and every "Black" person looks like Steph Curry and his kids

 

[DoubleClutch]

There's a black American guy I met in Johannesburg from Baltimore. He is unambiguously black, deep brown witb deadlocks.
I thought he was a regular black South African.
He is related somehow some way to Tank Davis the boxer. (we talked some boxing when we met coz I'm a casual Follower of boxing).

Anyway, I asked if people ever came up to him and IMMEDIATELY greeted or started speaking in Zulu? He said "that happens all the time, and then they get confused and then excited when they hear I'm American".

I asked him "do you think your cousin Tank Davis would ever have someone mistake him for Zulu?".. The answer is no.

I think this is what causes a lot of confusion for black American brehs.

You have siblings in your family that could come to SA, and one would be assumed black and another would be assumed as colored.
If you look black you're black, if you look mixed, you're mixed.

As an outsider what I've seen in America is that they are replacing authentic unambiguous black people over there, with a one-drop mixed group as the FACE of what a black American is.
From Obama to Beyonce, from Halle Barry to Kamala Harriss.

White people over there have sort of made mullatos the FACE of Black America.
I always felt the long term agenda was to truly create a hybrid mixed race class and breed out the African genes completely.

But black American brehs get emotional about it coz they have siblings, or parent or grandparent that basically looks or is a multi generational mullato.
Also some of the greatest "civil rights" leaders have been multi generational mixed breeds like Malcom X.
Great authors and writers like August Wilson (German father) who've made a great contribution on the African experience Black American experience.

So I get why. But I don't wanna wake up in 50 years and every "Black" person looks like Steph Curry and his kids

yea well if I go to SA nobody is probably speaking Zulu to me but I don’t think I’d necessarily be colored either

but if I went to Ethiopia or i might need to pick up some Amharic

so you see how in SA other people from Africa might not be considered Black or African which is crazy

I’m thinking only SA has this distinction because it’s so racially diverse

 

[Cape Town JHB]

yea well if I go to SA nobody is probably speaking Zulu to me but I don’t think I’d necessarily be colored either

but if I went to Ethiopia or i might need to pick up some Amharic

so you see how in SA other people from Africa might not be considered Black or African which is crazy

I’m thinking only SA has this distinction because it’s so racially diverse

But Ethiopians are not considered black in ANY black African country like Nigeria, Ghana, Congo, South Africa etc

They have OBVIOUS Arab berber admixture (along with with other Horn of Africa surrounding countries).

To give you an example, Nigerians don't really phenotypically look like Xhosa or Zulu people, you can always tell a Nigerian apart in SA (for the most part) BUT you don't ever think of them as trying NOT black... This goes for other African nationals.
They don't look like out local tribes, but they are unmistakably black

For example, my sister has a child and is married to a Nigerian (Igbo), the baby is black (half Xhosa, half Igbo) and is accepted as a black in both households.

But if she had a kid with an Ethiopian, that babies hair and skin etc would be considered suspect across ANY black African country.