Soto or Nowhere: The Official 2024 New York Yankees Off-Season Thread

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I'm gonna be completely honest, if Brian Cashman wasn't the guy making the decisions, I would give Soto a take-it-or-leave it offer

Bryce Harper went to a division rival, and the Nats still won the WS the next year

The Astros Cole and Correa walk in their primes, and won the WS

The Dodgers lost Manny Machado, Corey Seager, a proven playoff performer, and we saw what happened

All of this was within the last five years. They were able to still build great rosters

As we saw when Cano left, Cashman was clueless as to what to do, panicked and signed Ellsbury, and the next 3 years were some of the most uninspired Yankee baseball I've ever seen. So Cashman and Co have no choice but to wait it out and give out the blank check
The problem with the analogy is those teams were loaded with talent, while this one doesn’t have a first baseman, might or might not have a catcher, probably doesn’t have a shortstop (at least offensive), doesn’t have a left fielder, doesn’t have either a 2nd or third baseman depending on what happens with Torres & Jazz, has a massive question mark at centerfield, and needs batters for the bench.
 

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I'm gonna be completely honest, if Brian Cashman wasn't the guy making the decisions, I would give Soto a take-it-or-leave it offer

Bryce Harper went to a division rival, and the Nats still won the WS the next year

The Astros Cole and Correa walk in their primes, and won the WS

The Dodgers lost Manny Machado, Corey Seager, a proven playoff performer, and we saw what happened

All of this was within the last five years. They were able to still build great rosters

As we saw when Cano left, Cashman was clueless as to what to do, panicked and signed Ellsbury, and the next 3 years were some of the most uninspired Yankee baseball I've ever seen. So Cashman and Co have no choice but to wait it out and give out the blank check
A friend of mine used that same logic.

I disagree only for this reason:

you at least had faith in who was left. Who trusts Judge in a big spot anymore? Never mind who might come in and contribute from the outside, but there's a reason why we'd be find paying Soto an absurd amount of money, or when Correa was available even though he's overrated as fukk as a player.

We don't have October players. It's why if the Yankees signed washed ass MadBum, I'd be cool with it because in October he turns into a different player. It's why we grit our teeth and deal with Stanton being useless 2 months out of the year. Losing those guys didn't kill those teams because those teams operate correctly (and they had guys who you knew could rise to the occasion).

Cano leaving and the Yankees pivoting is why I don't want them to do it now. Yes, I don't trust Cashman to make those moves, but most of those teams you named just ran it back and replaced guys internally. Astros let Correa walk and replaced him with the 2022 WS MVP (and didn't fight him on having that spot from jump). Harper left, their rotation was stacked and Howie Kendrick went crazy. Dodgers lost Seager and then got Freeman and I don't care what nobody says, they knew Ohtani was in the bag as soon as he became available. There's no free agent pivot that's good enough and there's no real internal help coming other than Dominguez who they shoulda let play in October. We just saw two guys finish in the top 3 for ROY. Gil won and he wouldn't have seen the majors had Cole not gotten hurt. Wells only started getting regular PT when Trevino got hurt and his arm was shot. Why does something catastrophic have to happen for young guys to get opportunities? I'm convinced Dominguez isn't getting regular PT unless someone stabs Verdugo at the McDonalds by the Cross Bronx.
 

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Cashman is going to sign Christian Walker.

Then he's going to try to find a left handed power bat to DH when Stanton is hurt or struggling. But it's gonna be a bum. Probably a Jessie Winker type.

Then he's gonna pray this team wins 88 games and gets into the Play In game.

If the Mets really offered Juan Soto 660 million dollars with 4 opt out clauses....man the Yankees aren't matching that shyt.
 

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A friend of mine used that same logic.

I disagree only for this reason:

you at least had faith in who was left. Who trusts Judge in a big spot anymore? Never mind who might come in and contribute from the outside, but there's a reason why we'd be find paying Soto an absurd amount of money, or when Correa was available even though he's overrated as fukk as a player.

We don't have October players. It's why if the Yankees signed washed ass MadBum, I'd be cool with it because in October he turns into a different player. It's why we grit our teeth and deal with Stanton being useless 2 months out of the year. Losing those guys didn't kill those teams because those teams operate correctly (and they had guys who you knew could rise to the occasion).

Cano leaving and the Yankees pivoting is why I don't want them to do it now. Yes, I don't trust Cashman to make those moves, but most of those teams you named just ran it back and replaced guys internally. Astros let Correa walk and replaced him with the 2022 WS MVP (and didn't fight him on having that spot from jump). Harper left, their rotation was stacked and Howie Kendrick went crazy. Dodgers lost Seager and then got Freeman and I don't care what nobody says, they knew Ohtani was in the bag as soon as he became available. There's no free agent pivot that's good enough and there's no real internal help coming other than Dominguez who they shoulda let play in October. We just saw two guys finish in the top 3 for ROY. Gil won and he wouldn't have seen the majors had Cole not gotten hurt. Wells only started getting regular PT when Trevino got hurt and his arm was shot. Why does something catastrophic have to happen for young guys to get opportunities? I'm convinced Dominguez isn't getting regular PT unless someone stabs Verdugo at the McDonalds by the Cross Bronx.
This is the part that gets me too. The refusal to play the young guys unless injuries force them to. It’s a completely incoherent way to run your team to fill the margins and half the lineup with stopgaps who are playing out of position.
 

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Cashman is going to sign Christian Walker.

Then he's going to try to find a left handed power bat to DH when Stanton is hurt or struggling. But it's gonna be a bum. Probably a Jessie Winker type.

Then he's gonna pray this team wins 88 games and gets into the Play In game.

If the Mets really offered Juan Soto 660 million dollars with 4 opt out clauses....man the Yankees aren't matching that shyt.
Hal has to realize that he can’t afford to lose Soto. Whatever it’ll cost to keep him, it’ll cost more to lose him. It’d be a 2010-11 cavaliers season type atmosphere in the stadium with very few sellouts if any, but the fan anger would be directed at the owner and front office as opposed to the player who left. That team would have a ceiling of 85 wins and an early playoff exit regardless of who they face for 2-3 years before Judge and Cole decline and then the bottom falls out. It would probably also cause future free agents to pass on them because they wouldn’t trust the team to make the effort to field a proper contender long term like how Albert Pujols and Jason Giambi passed on the A’s in the winter of 2001 and the marlins in the winter of 2011 because they didn’t trust the team’s commitment to winning. It would instantly turn the perception of the Yankees (especially after how many stars they passed on from 2017-22) into that of a second rate franchise like the cowboys or bulls who still milk 90’s nostalgia to sell tickets and merchandise when they haven’t been relevant since.
 

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If the Dodgers get Soto

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It’d be Kevin Durant joining the warriors basically but stretched out to a decade. That’d be bad for baseball. The Yankees would immediately become totally irrelevant and with the rest of the AL being weak, the dodgers might only have one challenge while winning 115+ in a very anticlimactic season whose outcome was a foregone conclusion before it even began. Great for the dodgers, but bad for everyone else.
 

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A friend of mine used that same logic.

I disagree only for this reason:

you at least had faith in who was left.
Nah I gotta stop you right here, because you can't say this, when you were perfectly fine with letting Judge walk with Hicks, Donaldson, and IKF still wasting AB's.

It doesn't matter how many October players we get. The only way this team wins another title is if Judge has a major say in it, whether we wanna admit it or not
 
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