Soo... Sony wants a Mario level IP.

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When they say this people always jump to mascot games and/or platformers. There will never be a franchise as big for as long as mario in that genre, there just won’t be.

You can’t out nintendo, nintendo.

They have IP already with longevity like Gran Turismo, GoW, R&C, now TLOU, etc. and they all still have room for growth, with their multiplayer titles, movies/tv, etc.

If Twisted Metal is released it will be sonys oldest franchise at 30 years, with GT shortly approaching. They won’t be selling 50m copies but thats not the only benefit to having long term IP. Thats why sonys been digging in the crates of old IP to bring back, they want older people interested in the console and younger people to get into the stuff the older generation loves, like nintendo do with mario and pokemon

that's the very point of the thread tho. If Sony drop a new console what's the first IP you thinking of to drop with that console? or what IP you think gonna carry out and do cross market promoting/production? The IPs do well for sure, but when someone say Sony I only think of Sony the company.

Mario and Sonic have had RPGs, fighting games, racing games, tactic games so on and so forth. this isn't about a genre, it's more so about a "lovable IP"
 

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that's the very point of the thread tho. If Sony drop a new console what's the first IP you thinking of to drop with that console? or what IP you think gonna carry out and do cross market promoting/production? The IPs do well for sure, but when someone say Sony I only think of Sony the company.

Mario and Sonic have had RPGs, fighting games, racing games, tactic games so on and so forth. this isn't about a genre, it's more so about a "lovable IP"

Thats the best thing about playstation, their biggest brand is playstation itself and its studios. When you think of playstation dropping you can think of a number of games from popular franchises, uncharted, horizon, god of war, astro, etc. the benefit of not having one IP to dominate them all is that when that ip falters (like halo or gears) it doesn’t drag the rest of the brand down with it.

Phil spencer is on record saying if Halo fails then Xbox fails, which is horrible because Master Chief/Halo ain’t Mario, it ain’t built like that. Sega floundered when 3d sonic started to diminish in sales, Sony doesn’t have that issue. Uncharted can take a 6 year break, GoW can take a 6 year break, and so on and so fourth and they can bring them back and it will be huge again, and in between that you got spinoffs and tv to keep them in the minds of people.

People love sonys ip but just one or two don’t make or break the brand. In fact sony are building their entire multimedia presence around their IP, you can’t do that if people don’t enjoy them



Its also why i think to a certain extent mario and zelda mainline games always get somewhat inflated scores, gaming media and the public all kind of work together to keep these IP as big as possible because they are so tied directly with the success of Nintendo consoles. They would never let those IP fail
 

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the people in charge at sony are not fun software creatives like miyamoto or naka. any mascot the hardware tech people or marketing people come up with will be missing that spark - just look at polygon man, LOL. i consider masterchief to be just barely serviceable as a mascot. you dont even really see him put to good use in marketing now. his status as mascot is very forced.
 

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the people in charge at sony are not fun software creatives like miyamoto or naka. any mascot the hardware tech people or marketing people come up with will be missing that spark - just look at polygon man, LOL. i consider masterchief to be just barely serviceable as a mascot. you dont even really see him put to good use in marketing now. his status as mascot is very forced.

Again, they aren’t talking about mascots
 

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he said loveable ip. there is nothing lovable about narrative, gameplay mechanics, or technology. it's the characters.

Nathan drake is loveable, :dame:

This is kind of the problem microsoft runs into though. People want them to make games like Sony, they won’t ever be able to do that. Just like Sony won’t ever be able to make games like Nintendo.

Even if Astro Bot becomes the default playstation platformer, it won’t play or be their big franchise like Mario is for Nintendo. Sonys games are always going to appeal more to 15-35 crowd of males, and maybe now female gamers that like the narratives.

Everyone has their own appeal, trying to make an iconic ‘mascot’ character in 2023 is futile
 

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Squenix wanted to prep itself for a Sony purchase and they refused, if they di they would have

Hell you want older, you have all those Final Fantasy characters that people have begged about but that they ignore.
You have Chrono Trigger

shyt has to hit sony fans hard to see how ignorant their CEO is of his own company
 

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Squenix wanted to prep itself for a Sony purchase and they refused, if they di they would have

Hell you want older, you have all those Final Fantasy characters that people have begged about but that they ignore.
You have Chrono Trigger

shyt has to hit sony fans hard to see how ignorant their CEO is of his own company

You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about :mjlol:

Who refused a merger? what does Chrono trigger of all things even have to do with this conversation :dead:
 

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You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about :mjlol:

Who refused a merger? what does Chrono trigger of all things even have to do with this conversation :dead:
Square enix had reported to prep for a sale, the management made a offer to Sony to buy them and Sony refused.

Final fantasy and Chrono trigger are IPs that are old and timeless that could have animated features built ofd of them for square or Sony if they would invest in them.

Is that simple enough for you to understand?
 

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halo show did decent numbers for Paramount +, the ashiest streaming service out

The Last of Us did record numbers on HBO, ad the games are selling like crazy. Sony don’t have an IP problem, they are talking about and taking steps towards sustainability of IP
Halo has been around for 22 years. Is now considered in a downturn in terms of IP popularity and it was still able to drop a bad show and beat some of the most talked about TV shows of last year.

That’s the type of sustainability sony is looking for
 

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Halo has been around for 22 years. Is now considered in a downturn in terms of IP popularity and it was still able to drop a bad show and beat some of the most talked about TV shows of last year.

That’s the type of sustainability sony is looking for

Sony have older IP than that currently selling more copies than halo :dahell:

And about 3-4 more not that far off
 
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