Sonny Cheeba (Camp Lo) Exposes Jay Z And Says Jay Z Used To Mimic And Imitate His Style

[Awesome Wells]

Bro. U do realize that is a CONFLICTING story from what Sonny Cheeba is saying. That’s Sonny Cheeba’s flow on a lot of shyt. So are u saying Ski gave Sonny his flow? All I’m saying to u is. Even from the video in the OP. Sonny is telling it completely different. So is Sonny lying?

Facts are facts.

Cheeba wasn't even on the OG "I'm Feelin' It'. LOL!! If you listen, that's Geechi and Ski.

Ski wrote all of their hooks, including "Luchini". He also said mad times that he gave hooks and flows to Jay. He used to rap, so it's not like he can't do it. He's producing these artists. Giving them hooks and flows to his beats. That's how it's supposed to be. He was already making records with Geechie before he even knew Sonny Cheeba. Years later, Geechi brought Sonny Cheeba to Ski and that's when he started working with the group. But he was working with Jay way before Sonny Cheeba was even around. That's why I'm telling you, dudes are trying to rewrite history.

 

[chemicalsword]

Jay’s flow on feelin it is an exact replica of Ski’s flow on the same joint

 

[Greenhornet]

cats debating in here like jayz doesnt have proof of biting cats since jaz-o
you could list 30 years of shyt until now ... this thread has direct evidence and cats are still juelzing like he wasnt biting even before this

paying for feelin it when the song is already done and keeping the entire song is super uncreative and you know exactly what you're doing with that shyt
thats literally biting someone elses style no matter how you cut it, if you buy their style and pass it as some shyt you thought of. Did the writers get credit on Reasonable Doubt? or just the producer for selling it?
obviously the writers of the original didnt get credit or we wouldnt be having this discussion right now.

 

[spliz]

Facts are facts.

Cheeba wasn't even on the OG "I'm Feelin' It'. LOL!! If you listen, that's Geechi and Ski.

Ski wrote all of their hooks, including "Luchini". He also said mad times that he gave hooks and flows to Jay. He used to rap, so it's not like he can't do it. He's producing these artists. Giving them hooks and flows to his beats. That's how it's supposed to be. He was already making records with Geechie before he even knew Sonny Cheeba. Years later, Geechi brought Sonny Cheeba to Ski and that's when he started working with the group. But he was working with Jay way before Sonny Cheeba was even around. That's why I'm telling you, dudes are trying to rewrite history.

So basically ur saying Sonny is lying. Ok. What about his flow on Best Of Me remix? Coincidence? U think Sonny lying about that?

 

[Awesome Wells]

Did the writers get credit on Reasonable Doubt? or just the producer for selling it?

The producer and the writer of the song are the same person. LOL!! Credited, along with Jay.

 

[spliz]

cats debating in here like jayz doesnt have proof of biting cats since jaz-o
you could list 30 years of shyt until now ... this thread has direct evidence and cats are still juelzing like he wasnt biting even before this

paying for feelin it when the song is already done and keeping the entire song is super uncreative and you know exactly what you're doing with that shyt
thats literally biting someone elses style no matter how you cut it, if you buy their style and pass it as some shyt you thought of. Did the writers get credit on Reasonable Doubt? or just the producer for selling it?
obviously the writers of the original didnt get credit or we wouldnt be having this discussion right now.

I mean it was Ski’s flow. And he produced the shyt. He got credit on the song. Really open and shut. What @Awesome Wells wells is pointing out is how Sonny is lying about certain shyt.

 

[Awesome Wells]

So basically ur saying Sonny is lying. Ok.

Dude's been lying for years.

Ski didn't even start doing tracks for Camp Lo until late '95. Dude was making music with Geechi Suede back in like '93, when they were neighbors years before he even met Sonny Cheeba. He was making records with Jay as far back as '92. So dude saying that Jay wanted "Luchini" is corny. Ski said everybody wanted that beat when they heard it! Same way, he said Camp Lo wanted beats that he gave Jay.

But the point is "Feelin' It" wasn't even a damn Camp Lo song. Haha!! It was for Ski's album and he decided to give it to Jay. Coached him on the recording, gave him the hook and everything. WTF does that have to do with Camp Lo? LOL!! Sonny Cheeba wasn't even on it! Dude is weird.

 

[raoulduke187]

I been told yall Jay-Z's a leech and doesn't have a shred of originality in him dude is completely swagless and relies on everyone else to carry him

 

[I love Latina women]

Jay’s flow on feelin it is an exact replica of Ski’s flow on the same joint

 

[spliz]

Dude's been lying for years.

Ski didn't even start doing tracks for Camp Lo until late '95. Dude was making music with Geechi Suede back in like '93, when they were neighbors years before he even met Sonny Cheeba. He was making records with Jay as far back as '92. So dude saying that Jay wanted "Luchini" is corny. Ski said everybody wanted that beat when they heard it! Same way, he said Camp Lo wanted beats that he gave Jay.

But the point is "Feelin' It" wasn't even a damn Camp Lo song. Haha!! It was for Ski's album and he decided to give it to Jay. Coached him on the recording, gave him the hook and everything. WTF does that have to do with Camp Lo? LOL!! Sonny Cheeba wasn't even on it! Dude is weird.

Damn. Well atleast nikkas know I ain’t the one lying. Lol. Cheeba still nice as fukk tho. But yea Jay took that flow on Feelin It before Ski even knew he would take it. And he let Jay have it. I don’t think he “coached” him in the process at all being that he didn’t know Jay would do it.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Damn. Well atleast nikkas know I ain’t the one lying. Lol. Cheeba still nice as fukk tho. But yea Jay took that flow on Feelin It before Ski even knew he would take it. And he let Jay have it. I don’t think he “coached” him in the process at all being that he didn’t know Jay would do it.

Ski knew. Read below:

"That was my song! It was a song I was working on for my album at the time. It was me and Suede from Camp Lo rapping on it. I was happy about the song so I ran up in Dame’s house and Jay was there. I played it for them and they got the mad frown face, bopping they head, like, 'This is dope!'

Then Jay was like, 'You know you gotta give me that song right?' I was like, 'What do you mean? I just did this song!' He was like, 'Come on B, I need that for my album. You know we’re working on this album. Give me that beat, I want that hook too.' He took the beat, the hook, and the flow too! Which was cool, it wasn’t like he didn't ask me for it. He didn’t jack it. He told me he was going to do it."

Literally nothing to do with Sonny Cheeba or Camp Lo. It was Ski's record. He just had Geechi on it with him. Not Sonny Cheeba. That's why I'm telling you, dude is weird. He just makes shyt up, lol.

 

[spliz]

Ski knew. Read below:

"That was my song! It was a song I was working on for my album at the time. It was me and Suede from Camp Lo rapping on it. I was happy about the song so I ran up in Dame’s house and Jay was there. I played it for them and they got the mad frown face, bopping they head, like, 'This is dope!'

Then Jay was like, 'You know you gotta give me that song right?' I was like, 'What do you mean? I just did this song!' He was like, 'Come on B, I need that for my album. You know we’re working on this album. Give me that beat, I want that hook too.' He took the beat, the hook, and the flow too! Which was cool, it wasn’t like he didn't ask me for it. He didn’t jack it. He told me he was going to do it."

What that sound like to u? He asked for the beat and hook. But he ended up taking the flow as well. But Ski didn’t care.

 

[Greenhornet]

my point isnt what you two are arguing or talking about

my point is there's more than 1 person on the feelin it demo
If my voice is part of your demo and you sold the idea then I want credit for being apart of it

obviously a demo isnt cleared or set in stone
so when ski sells it and the idea ... you cant stop him until after its published
then you have a case when you are the second guy on the demo who was thrown to the side

the producer can see the vision and spit the first verse but if I'm on part of the blueprint then I'm binded to the idea of that song, there's no proof or heresay that could prove that I wasnt if I'm physically recording with you on that demo. I could even argue that I helped you find and place that chorus and there's no way to tell anyone I didnt. Even if you say its for Ski's album or not you cant totally prove that after the fact that its sold. I could make a song right now and tell people its for Busta Rhymes new album but thats never the truth until it actually happens. The only proof you walk away with is physical evidence such as more than just Ski being on the record.

You just posted that Suede was the one rapping on it... he has a case whether it matters in this discussion or not that he directly contributed to that cut with proof. The idea isnt set in stone until Jay cleared the sample and Ski takes production credit but you can easily say you helped contribute to it and were cut out of the deal. Whether Ski did most of the work or not, it cant be proven from the demo alone because nobody is documented as who did what on the demo. This works especially if the paperwork on their end isnt clearly stated and written with what Ski sold Jay-z exactly. (chorus, etc) If it was just some unsettled dough transfer then you can easily say you inspired part of all of that.


I'm not saying whats cool or whats not... I'm not ragging on Jay or Ski ... or Camp Lo ... I'm just pointing out the reality of having a demo as evidence, beyond Ski saying heresay shyt. Even if Ski didnt sell the song to Jay you have proof that you contributed to the song as Suede and could get a share of it. This isnt saying Jay sharked them because if he bought it fair and square, than he can do what he wants. But that dont mean you cant claim your part.

 

[Awesome Wells]

What that sound like to u? He asked for the beat and hook. But he ended up taking the flow as well. But Ski didn’t care.

Sounds like two things.

One, Sonny Cheeba is lying again. And two, Ski was in charge of production on RD. He always talks about how he coached Jay on his beats and how he wrote hooks and made changes that he thought would fit the album better. Ski doesn't just give people beats. He's a producer's producer. He's told the same stories about working with Spitta, Mos Def, Camp Lo, whoever. He always speaks about how he coaches dudes and produces records from start to finish. Most of the dudes from that generation did that.

I know a lot of dudes think it's cool to discredit Jay, but if you speak to or listen to the people who actually worked with him, you get the real story. Jay recorded the majority of the references from RD at Ski's crib. They lived around the corner from each other, so they were together working on these tracks. Jay wasn't running off on his own and doing them, lol. Ski was right there with him. He said they would do the references at his crib, and also the pre-production and when Jay got the lyrics memorized, they would go to the studio and lay them again. He actually produced Jay from start to finish. It's not like now where you just send people shyt. Back then, you actually sat with the MC and worked. He said Camp Lo wanted the beat to "Politics as Usual" too. LOL!! Because of the horns.

'Yo how you gonna give that beat to Jay-Z? What about us? You always giving Jay the dope beats!'"

 

[RAW_SPK]

Sounds like two things.

One, Sonny Cheeba is lying again. And two, Ski was in charge of production on RD. He always talks about how he coached Jay on his beats and how he wrote hooks and made changes that he thought would fit the album better. Ski doesn't just give people beats. He's a producer's producer. He's told the same stories about working with Spitta, Mos Def, Camp Lo, whoever. He always speaks about how he coaches dudes and produces records from start to finish. Most of the dudes from that generation did that.

I know a lot of dudes think it's cool to discredit Jay, but if you speak to or listen to the people who actually worked with him, you get the real story. Jay recorded the majority of the references from RD at Ski's crib. They lived around the corner from each other, so they were together working on these tracks. Jay wasn't running off on his own and doing them, lol. Ski was right there with him. He said they would do the references at his crib, and also the pre-production and when Jay got the lyrics memorized, they would go to the studio and lay them again. He actually produced Jay from start to finish. It's not like now where you just send people shyt. Back then, you actually sat with the MC and worked. He said Camp Lo wanted the beat to "Politics as Usual" too. LOL!! Because of the horns.

'Yo how you gonna give that beat to Jay-Z? What about us? You always giving Jay the dope beats!'"

tthis is how i always heard it