Sonny Cheeba (Camp Lo) Exposes Jay Z And Says Jay Z Used To Mimic And Imitate His Style

[surv2syn]

so he sounded like G rap before he cut his first songs. much different that being well into your career mimicking flows

the comparisons will never stop.

pretty much this. no diss, just facts. G Rap fathered a lot of styles. if you heard Lil Fame before M.O.P. he was a fukkin G Rap clone, then he decided to dumb his lyrics down to formulate M.O.P. but if you go to a lot of Fame stuff outside of M.O.P. you can see the boy is a crazy M.C. in his own right but still in the vein of G Rap.

Jay mimicked a lot of people before he became a mega star. he also bought/took other people's songs, like Omilio Sparks joint. its smart business. on one hand in a lot of instances cant say he was a total snake, but at the same time, stans dont want to acknowledge that he did borrow from others or record their songs.

 

[Woodrow]

shyt is common in the game

Heaven (Hell) Razah and Shabazz spoke on Rae, Ghost and Nas biting the fukk outta them back in the day "copywrite ya demos" peep the lyrics

 

[Awesome Wells]

@Awesome Wells -- glad we still have mature posters on this site. These weird Nas fanatics really thought they were gonna come in here pushing that immature shyt.

Notice how this thread quieted down once the facts were actually posted, LOL.

Much respect, bruh! Indeed.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

And what did Ghost/Rae say about that shyt?

should have slapped them in the face with a wet fish!!!

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

shyt is common in the game

Heaven (Hell) Razah and Shabazz spoke on Rae, Ghost and Nas biting the fukk outta them back in the day "copywrite ya demos" peep the lyrics

fukking losers!!!

 

[spliz]

Sounds like two things.

One, Sonny Cheeba is lying again. And two, Ski was in charge of production on RD. He always talks about how he coached Jay on his beats and how he wrote hooks and made changes that he thought would fit the album better. Ski doesn't just give people beats. He's a producer's producer. He's told the same stories about working with Spitta, Mos Def, Camp Lo, whoever. He always speaks about how he coaches dudes and produces records from start to finish. Most of the dudes from that generation did that.

I know a lot of dudes think it's cool to discredit Jay, but if you speak to or listen to the people who actually worked with him, you get the real story. Jay recorded the majority of the references from RD at Ski's crib. They lived around the corner from each other, so they were together working on these tracks. Jay wasn't running off on his own and doing them, lol. Ski was right there with him. He said they would do the references at his crib, and also the pre-production and when Jay got the lyrics memorized, they would go to the studio and lay them again. He actually produced Jay from start to finish. It's not like now where you just send people shyt. Back then, you actually sat with the MC and worked. He said Camp Lo wanted the beat to "Politics as Usual" too. LOL!! Because of the horns.

'Yo how you gonna give that beat to Jay-Z? What about us? You always giving Jay the dope beats!'"

I know how all his songs were being recorded. That’s not what I’m speaking on. I’m saying that from the way it was worded. Jay took the flow as well. Without coaching from Ski. But Ski didn’t give a fukk. This ain’t even about discrediting Jay. At all. This information is old news. nikkas BEEN knew he took Feelin It. Honestly I never even mentioned Nas in this thread. A fukkin weirdo Jay fanatic is the one who dragged me into some Nas shyt that ain’t have nothing to do with this thread. nikkas accusing me of lying and all that. Sonny Cheeba lying don’t got shyt to do with me. This is for everyone in this thread talkin shyt. I DONT HAVE TO LIE TO U nikkaS. My pedigree ain’t never been to show off for some internet nikkas. @RAW_SPK. I fukk wit u as a poster. I know that other cat tries to paint it like I hate Jay. I’m prolly one of the biggest Jay Z fans I know. This whole Nas vs Jay shyt is corny. But I do notice that u jump to Jay’s defense when u feel someone is disrespecting Jay. But I don’t really see u do the same when it comes to Nas. And that’s cool. But I’m not gonna run around callin u a “Jay Stan” or whatever. Bottom line is I thought all this shyt was old news and was just relaying the story based on how I remember it. @Awesome Wells pointed out dude was lying. That’s cool too. nikkas tryna turn this into Nas vs Jay is something else I don’t have nothing to do with.

 

[Youseenmywork]

Ski beatz never really gets enough credit

 

[Awesome Wells]

Ski beatz never really gets enough credit

Dude is one of the best ever.

Mad slept-on. A ton of classics under his belt.

 

[spliz]

Nas was mimicking G Rap early on.

Marley Marl speaks about that a lot. G Rap, Biz and Russell Simmons have said the same, and Large Pro. Nas has even mentioned it, lol. Def Jam passed on signing him because they felt like he sounded too much like G Rap. People used to always hear that story back then.

But why are people still comparing Nas and Jay? LOL!!

Nas wasn’t mimicking G Rap. He had a style derivative of G Rap. AZ was more G Rap than Nas was. AZ’s verse on Life’s A bytch was basically G Rap flow. Nas got accused of taking from Rakim as well. When his styles basically nothing like Ra. Nas’ style early on was a little G Rap, mixed with Intelligent Hoodlum, mixed with his own flavor. By the time Illmatic came out. And past that. None of that was present really. Nas would tell the story about Russell passing on him basically letting people know how tone deaf Russell was by that time. shyt. Big Pun was a Puerto Rican G Rap. A lot of the rap game was influenced by G Rap. It’s really kinda different from this Jay shyt tho. For one. Nas was 17-18 when his style was similar to G Rap. Jay took an actual song and flow from someone else at 26-27 years old. Jay was already in the game for like 7-8 years by the time Reasonable Doubt actually came out. Jay switched styles completely about 3 times. Jaz O, Fu Shnickens, then Jay Z as we know him now. I’m not saying this to knock Jay at all. But I’m just putting things in perspective.

 

[spliz]

Dude is one of the best ever.

Mad slept-on. A ton of classics under his belt.

What he recently did for Curren$y for the Pilot Talk series is nothing short of amazing.

 

[Theo Penn]

He gave the "Feeling' It" beat to both of them, and other artists and would coach them on how to flow on the beat. But Jay had the record deal and was ready to drop sooner, so he got the beat. When Camp Lo dropped Uptown Saturday Night, they spoke on it and said that Jay's track was better, so they thought he was the one that should have the beat.

This is all bullshyt

 

[Awesome Wells]

What he recently did for Curren$y for the Pilot Talk series is nothing short of amazing.

Truth.

When Dame had the whole DD172 thing going on with Curren$y and Mos, they were making some of their best shyt. Ski was in-house and making classic after classic in there. I always said they should've kept that going. It didn't last long enough.

 

[spliz]

Truth.

When Dame had the whole DD172 thing going on with Curren$y and Mos, they were making some of their best shyt. Ski was in-house and making classic after classic in there. I always said they should've kept that going. It didn't last long enough.

They couldn’t keep it going because Dame is a narcissistic fukk up. Dude basically tried to fukk Curren$y over and didn’t even have paper contracts set for him.

 

[spliz]

pretty much this. no diss, just facts. G Rap fathered a lot of styles. if you heard Lil Fame before M.O.P. he was a fukkin G Rap clone, then he decided to dumb his lyrics down to formulate M.O.P. but if you go to a lot of Fame stuff outside of M.O.P. you can see the boy is a crazy M.C. in his own right but still in the vein of G Rap.

Jay mimicked a lot of people before he became a mega star. he also bought/took other people's songs, like Omilio Sparks joint. its smart business. on one hand in a lot of instances cant say he was a total snake, but at the same time, stans dont want to acknowledge that he did borrow from others or record their songs.

I mean yea this is something Jay has a long history of doing even into the Rocafella days I always just left it at that and left it alone. I never questioned what Sonny Cheeba would say about it cause of it but I guess @Awesome Wells is pointing out how Sonny Cheeba is lying about things.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

Jay was just one of those dudes who shark dudes on the low. See someone's flow or posture and emulate it. Or see what trend is bubbling and ride it. Has always been that way.