Sonny Cheeba (Camp Lo) Exposes Jay Z And Says Jay Z Used To Mimic And Imitate His Style

[Tribal Outkast]

Reasonable doubt beats sound like beats that could’ve been on Uptown Saturday Night... Jay was different on that album than the Diggity Daz EFX flow he was using before. He was dope on that album and I still love it so it’s whatever, nothing will happen to him now anyway so just let Camp Lo have this lol

 

[Theo Penn]

Jay was just one of those dudes who shark dudes on the low. See someone's flow or posture and emulate it. Or see what trend is bubbling and ride it. Has always been that way.

Exactly. I could definitely see Jay-Z standing in the mirror trying to get his Sonny Cheeba on. That Mya Best of Me remix is a perfect example of this. Compare the flows.

Ain’t the first or last time though

Peedi recently spoke with Cosmic Kev on his hometown radio station Power 99, charging Jay with stealing songs, but when he spoke with XXL he wanted to clear up those statements. “I want to clarify that [Jay] doesn’t steal anyone’s songs,” he said, “He steals swag, ideas, concepts—whatever you want to call it… Jay doesn’t just straight-up jack you for a song. He’s just smooth with it. You ever listen to Young Chris rap and then go back and listen to Jay? You almost start to scratch your head. The old Jay-Z never rapped like that. That’s Young Gunners flow to the tee. There are actually people that don’t know that that [the whisper rap] was [Chris'] flow. I don’t understand why Jay don’t just say that he got the swag from the young bull.
“Jay has no swag of his own,” he continued. “He has no natural cool nikka style. But at the end of the day he has his own path to craft just like we all do and I’m all about making sure my path is full of positivity and creativity.”

Peedi Crakk Says Jay-Z Stole Young Chris’ Whisper Flow | ALLFLAMERZ.COM

 

[Tribal Outkast]

The original Uptown Saturday Night, which was basically their demo, is so dope.

Man I saw this somewhere but I never listened to it. The snippets are I got to get on it man. Thanks for this

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Nas wasn’t mimicking G Rap. He had a style derivative of G Rap. AZ was more G Rap than Nas was. AZ’s verse on Life’s A bytch was basically G Rap flow. Nas got accused of taking from Rakim as well. When his styles basically nothing like Ra. Nas’ style early on was a little G Rap, mixed with Intelligent Hoodlum, mixed with his own flavor. By the time Illmatic came out. And past that. None of that was present really. Nas would tell the story about Russell passing on him basically letting people know how tone deaf Russell was by that time. shyt. Big Pun was a Puerto Rican G Rap. A lot of the rap game was influenced by G Rap. It’s really kinda different from this Jay shyt tho. For one. Nas was 17-18 when his style was similar to G Rap. Jay took an actual song and flow from someone else at 26-27 years old. Jay was already in the game for like 7-8 years by the time Reasonable Doubt actually came out. Jay switched styles completely about 3 times. Jaz O, Fu Shnickens, then Jay Z as we know him now. I’m not saying this to knock Jay at all. But I’m just putting things in perspective.

The Fu shyt is another rewrite of history. Jaz and jay was already rapping like that before they was a thing

 

[Shade]

Dude is one of the best ever.

Mad slept-on. A ton of classics under his belt.

One of NC finest.

 

[spliz]

The Fu shyt is another rewrite of history. Jaz and jay was already rapping like that before they was a thing

Jay and Jaz had a triplet originators flow. The Fu Shnickens flow was a lil bit different tho. Cat jumped over the moon type of nursery rhyme shyt they used to add to it.

 

[Awesome Wells]

One of NC finest.

Definitely.

 

[Theo Penn]

On World Heist when Geechi Suede comes in with:

I was born in a state of grace, I never caught a 3:00 lace / I make it happen with the toast in ya face, and that’s my word

Nicca was about to turn up.



Suede was definitely the most talented of the group and the unorthodox flow was so technically on point. Perfect timing and rhythm on the flows. Suede is one of the most underrated ever.

 

[surv2syn]

This is all bullshyt

not all but pretty much.

I mean yea this is something Jay has a long history of doing even into the Rocafella days I always just left it at that and left it alone. I never questioned what Sonny Cheeba would say about it cause of it but I guess @Awesome Wells is pointing out how Sonny Cheeba is lying about things.

what was he lying about though? you gotta point out specifics. Feelin It was Ski's song for his solo album and Geechie was on it. it was recorded before Jay even heard the beat. I think Cheeba was to be added later and Jay basically told Ski to run it and the flow too.

 

[spliz]

not all but pretty much.



what was he lying about though? you gotta point out specifics. Feelin It was Ski's song for his solo album and Geechie was on it. I think Cheeba was to be added later and Jay basically told Ski to run it and the flow too.

He’s saying that Sonny is lying about Jay taking from them. He said he’s lying about Jay trying to pay them 7k to take Luchini from them as well. Which would be a big lie because there’s no reason for him to offer to pay Camp Lo if all he had to do was pay Ski for the beat. He’s saying Sonny was lying about even being around back when Jay was doing Reasonable Doubt.

 

[surv2syn]

On World Heist when Geechi Suede comes in with:

I was born in a state of grace, I never caught a 3:00 lace / I make it happen with the toast in ya face, and that’s my word

Nicca was about to turn up.



Suede was definitely the most talented of the group and the unorthodox flow was so technically on point. Perfect timing and rhythm on the flows. Suede is one of the most underrated ever.

suede underrated no doubt, cheeba nice too but iirc, cheeba wasnt rapping until suede got him in to it

 

[mikishere]

@Awesome Wells might just be the only rational poster without the hidden sneak agendas in this whole thread

 

[surv2syn]

He’s saying that Sonny is lying about Jay taking from them. He said he’s lying about Jay trying to pay them 7k to take Luchini from them as well. Which would be a big lie because there’s no reason for him to pay Camp Lo if all he had to do was pay Ski for the beat. He’s saying Sonny was lying about even being around back when Jay was doing Reasonable Doubt.

well only they know the truth I guess because none of us were actually there but from Ski's accounts, these were SONGS before Jay heard them, not beats. Luchini was a make up beat for Camp Lo because they wanted the Politics beat. Jay would hear Ski play these shyts and want them. from what I remember, Jay never heard Luchini till after it was recorded. so thats why he would need to pay Lo as opposed to just paying Ski for a basic beat.

 

[spliz]

@Awesome Wells might just be the only rational poster without the hidden sneak agendas in this whole thread

I know for damn sure I don’t have a hidden agenda. shyt like I said before if Sonny Cheeba is lying that shyt ain’t got nothing to do with me.

 

[spliz]

well only they know the truth I guess because none of us were actually there but from Ski's accounts, these were SONGS before Jay heard them, not beats. Luchini was a make up beat for Camp Lo because they wanted the Politics beat. Jay would hear Ski play these shyts and want them. from what I remember, Jay never heard Luchini till after it was recorded. so thats why he would need to pay Lo as opposed to just paying Ski for a basic beat.

This is how I remember it being said it went.