Somebody, Anybody.....#DoSomething: 2019 FSU Seminoles

Tide Run This

Veteran
Joined
May 26, 2012
Messages
33,793
Reputation
2,240
Daps
63,252
Reppin
Garnet N Gold
Jeremy Pruitt with our talent that year was ridiculous. The downgrade in DC is glaring. But the administration got so damn drunk off that chip, that they started handing out contracts and extensions like candy. Jimbo essential 10 year guaranteed contract basically ties the administration and/or boosters hands when trying to force him to make a coaching change. We're married to Jimbo and his decisions for awhile. Maybe that's why Craig is back in the fold. If him and Tino Sunseri are in the bullpen waiting on the extra coaching position to be approved by the NCAA or for one of the old guards to bounce, then that's a start. The only coaches I have faith in are Odell, Brewster, and Lawing.....oh and drunk ass Vic as the S&C coach.

I'm waiting on Jimbo's annual "pissed off with everyone at practice" rant, but it hasn't come yet. Who's the stud that gets "kicked" out of practice to send a message this year? Or is this team really dialed in and bringing it like an elite team supposed to bring it? Maybe after the scrimmage Sunday we'll get something other than this glowing training camp report everyday from Jimbo.


2014 defense was gutted by huge losses at lb,safety and by a bunch of nikkas coasting waiting to go pro. The 2015 defense was ballin with no hopers like Georgio Newberry,Javion Elliott,Lamarcus Brutus and Reggie Northrup being key contributors. FSU did play one of the most brutal slates a defense could face last September especially counting losing Derwin,Sweat and Nnadi in no condition to play 100.

The Michigan game got close cause Frenchie made a terrible decision how is that Jimbo fault he didn't throw the fukking ball right to the LB and poor special teams. Tyler couldn't punt the ball worth shyt and we got some stupid penalties (McFadden,Marshall)
 

Champ_KW

Superstar
Joined
May 12, 2012
Messages
6,516
Reputation
1,060
Daps
19,429
Reppin
NULL
2014 defense was gutted by huge losses at lb,safety and by a bunch of nikkas coasting waiting to go pro. The 2015 defense was ballin with no hopers like Georgio Newberry,Javion Elliott,Lamarcus Brutus and Reggie Northrup being key contributors. FSU did play one of the most brutal slates a defense could face last September especially counting losing Derwin,Sweat and Nnadi in no condition to play 100.

The Michigan game got close cause Frenchie made a terrible decision how is that Jimbo fault he didn't throw the fukking ball right to the LB and poor special teams. Tyler couldn't punt the ball worth shyt and we got some stupid penalties (McFadden,Marshall)

Ole Miss, Charleston Southern, Louisville, and USF.....kind of a reach to call it "one of the most brutal slates a defense could face". Everything else you said has some validity to it, but it's disingenuous to act like Kelly is doing a great job as DC. And what some people have said about Jimbo's loyalty to upper classmen affects the defense when it comes to the situations you lamented about. You eliminate the loafing problem thru competition. It sounds like Jimbo is rounding the corner on that, but the likes of Sweat and Thomas loafing at UNC was possible cause they both "knew" they were the starters regardless. I think Jimbo is a great coach, but he has some obvious flaws that show up on game day. And no matter what anyone says, I'm not sold on Kelly as DC.
 

AlbertPullhoez

The Takeover
Joined
Sep 7, 2012
Messages
31,566
Reputation
6,940
Daps
133,942
Reppin
Deuce Dime, TX
Ole Miss, Charleston Southern, Louisville, and USF.....kind of a reach to call it "one of the most brutal slates a defense could face". Everything else you said has some validity to it, but it's disingenuous to act like Kelly is doing a great job as DC. And what some people have said about Jimbo's loyalty to upper classmen affects the defense when it comes to the situations you lamented about. You eliminate the loafing problem thru competition. It sounds like Jimbo is rounding the corner on that, but the likes of Sweat and Thomas loafing at UNC was possible cause they both "knew" they were the starters regardless. I think Jimbo is a great coach, but he has some obvious flaws that show up on game day. And no matter what anyone says, I'm not sold on Kelly as DC.
Ole Miss with Chad Kelly, L'Ville with Lamar, and USF with Quinton Flowers plus followed by UNC with Trubisky. That's not an easy 4 games for your defense especially playing those quarterbacks

How many other teams played that many good QB's early on in the season?:manny:
 

Champ_KW

Superstar
Joined
May 12, 2012
Messages
6,516
Reputation
1,060
Daps
19,429
Reppin
NULL
Ole Miss with Chad Kelly, L'Ville with Lamar, and USF with Quinton Flowers plus followed by UNC with Trubisky. That's not an easy 4 games for your defense especially playing those quarterbacks

How many other teams played that many good QB's early on in the season?:manny:

Those QB's are good and the only one that we legitimately couldn't do anything with is Jackson. Outside of him, busted coverage, loafing, wrong packages, etc have more to do with how the defense looked in the other games. Even the bowl game against Houston. We legit looked like we didn't have an answer for them. When a team loaded with 4* and 5* talent have games like Houston and Louisville, it's time to look at the DC. I'm not shytting on Jimbo, I think he's great. But I really do have my reservations about Kelly. Good games and even some losses....cool. But thrashings to lesser talented teams??? No elite coach should endure thrashings by lesser talented teams. Kelly isn't elite. He's better suited as a position coach.
 

Tide Run This

Veteran
Joined
May 26, 2012
Messages
33,793
Reputation
2,240
Daps
63,252
Reppin
Garnet N Gold
Ole Miss, Charleston Southern, Louisville, and USF.....kind of a reach to call it "one of the most brutal slates a defense could face". Everything else you said has some validity to it, but it's disingenuous to act like Kelly is doing a great job as DC. And what some people have said about Jimbo's loyalty to upper classmen affects the defense when it comes to the situations you lamented about. You eliminate the loafing problem thru competition. It sounds like Jimbo is rounding the corner on that, but the likes of Sweat and Thomas loafing at UNC was possible cause they both "knew" they were the starters regardless. I think Jimbo is a great coach, but he has some obvious flaws that show up on game day. And no matter what anyone says, I'm not sold on Kelly as DC.


The same Ole Piss that was lighting the GOAT DC Pruitt ass up turnovers cost Ole Piss same way turnovers cost them vs us Ole Piss was a legit offense especially when healthy. Louisville,USF and UNC were all fire offenses no team played a tougher slate of offenses at that point in time losing the best defensive player in CFB around all this doesn't make things easier. D never had a chance to work out the kinks no scrubs early to get the right players in place our secondary was pretty much brand new going into the season lets not forget. Not making excuses for Kelly I'm not a big fan but damn its not like we were giving up 40 to Michigan St,Duke and Texas the defense showed some progress late in the season and we got some fukking playmakers back. Defense was playing fine vs Clemson until Marshall got booted not Kelly's fault we got gutted down to played 3rd string safeties vs Watson and his posse of recievers. We were a fluke FG and bad call vs Clemson away from losing 1 game the world isn't ending.
 

Tide Run This

Veteran
Joined
May 26, 2012
Messages
33,793
Reputation
2,240
Daps
63,252
Reppin
Garnet N Gold
Those QB's are good and the only one that we legitimately couldn't do anything with is Jackson. Outside of him, busted coverage, loafing, wrong packages, etc have more to do with how the defense looked in the other games. Even the bowl game against Houston. We legit looked like we didn't have an answer for them. When a team loaded with 4* and 5* talent have games like Houston and Louisville, it's time to look at the DC. I'm not shytting on Jimbo, I think he's great. But I really do have my reservations about Kelly. Good games and even some losses....cool. But thrashings to lesser talented teams??? No elite coach should endure thrashings by lesser talented teams. Kelly isn't elite. He's better suited as a position coach.

Still think it was a mix of inexperience in secondary and Kelly trying to force too much onto these cats. The 2015 secondary had guys like Elliott and Brutus maybe not the most talented but they always were in the right spots. Can't forget losing a top 5 and completely undervalued Jalen Ramsey people were saying Marquez White was better and that Ramsey was "no loss" we pretty much played 2016 without 2 of the 5 best DBs in CFB the past 3 seasons 2 guaranteed top 5 picks. :yeshrug:
 

goatnole

BamaBoy!
Joined
Oct 27, 2013
Messages
4,478
Reputation
380
Daps
9,864
Reppin
FSU
Still think it was a mix of inexperience in secondary and Kelly trying to force too much onto these cats. The 2015 secondary had guys like Elliott and Brutus maybe not the most talented but they always were in the right spots. Can't forget losing a top 5 and completely undervalued Jalen Ramsey people were saying Marquez White was better and that Ramsey was "no loss" we pretty much played 2016 without 2 of the 5 best DBs in CFB the past 3 seasons 2 guaranteed top 5 picks. :yeshrug:
Who tha fukk said that shyt? LMAO!!!

You don't have to answer that, I know we got some crazies in our fan base.
 

Champ_KW

Superstar
Joined
May 12, 2012
Messages
6,516
Reputation
1,060
Daps
19,429
Reppin
NULL
Still think it was a mix of inexperience in secondary and Kelly trying to force too much onto these cats. The 2015 secondary had guys like Elliott and Brutus maybe not the most talented but they always were in the right spots. Can't forget losing a top 5 and completely undervalued Jalen Ramsey people were saying Marquez White was better and that Ramsey was "no loss" we pretty much played 2016 without 2 of the 5 best DBs in CFB the past 3 seasons 2 guaranteed top 5 picks. :yeshrug:

Sounds like we agree then. It's a teaching problem. There's no such thing as "forcing too much onto these cats" when we've seen Mikey Andrews cycle in class after class, losing studs at various positions, and still be a consistent product on defense for decades. Players not knowing assignments, being in the wrong spots, and overall just getting whooped due to technique.....that's on the coach. Look what you're asking. You're saying we can't expect a consistent product on defense unless we have "2 of the 5 best DB's in CFB the past 3 seasons 2 guaranteed top 5 picks"?

Believe me, I get what you're saying and I don't like arguing with FSU brethren, but it almost sounds like you're absolving Kelly of the bulk of the criticism. We have too many studs on defense, especially in the secondary. Kelly should be able to keep them above water when a player or two goes down. The same way with Trickett on offense. We can't boast signing the number 1 offensive line class a year ago, and still be concerned with a patchwork offensive line where we're trying out former DE's to protect the QB's blindside. At some point it has to be viewed as a teaching problem. Lawing the only one on the defensive side doing his damn job. When Nnadi got hurt, unheralded Fred Jones came right in an balled. Give him a stud in Brian Burns, he leads the nation in sacks for freshman. Bill Miller and Kelly aren't upholding their end of the bargain. Not to say they're trash....I'm just saying in order to have elite expectations, having someone get injured on defense shouldn't be all it takes to crumble a defense with elite players on the roster.
 

Tide Run This

Veteran
Joined
May 26, 2012
Messages
33,793
Reputation
2,240
Daps
63,252
Reppin
Garnet N Gold
Sounds like we agree then. It's a teaching problem. There's no such thing as "forcing too much onto these cats" when we've seen Mikey Andrews cycle in class after class, losing studs at various positions, and still be a consistent product on defense for decades. Players not knowing assignments, being in the wrong spots, and overall just getting whooped due to technique.....that's on the coach. Look what you're asking. You're saying we can't expect a consistent product on defense unless we have "2 of the 5 best DB's in CFB the past 3 seasons 2 guaranteed top 5 picks"?

Believe me, I get what you're saying and I don't like arguing with FSU brethren, but it almost sounds like you're absolving Kelly of the bulk of the criticism. We have too many studs on defense, especially in the secondary. Kelly should be able to keep them above water when a player or two goes down. The same way with Trickett on offense. We can't boast signing the number 1 offensive line class a year ago, and still be concerned with a patchwork offensive line where we're trying out former DE's to protect the QB's blindside. At some point it has to be viewed as a teaching problem. Lawing the only one on the defensive side doing his damn job. When Nnadi got hurt, unheralded Fred Jones came right in an balled. Give him a stud in Brian Burns, he leads the nation in sacks for freshman. Bill Miller and Kelly aren't upholding their end of the bargain. Not to say they're trash....I'm just saying in order to have elite expectations, having someone get injured on defense shouldn't be all it takes to crumble a defense with elite players on the roster.


Just saying the FSU defense had bad luck in the opponents they had to face early especially as far as the secondary was concerned. Even the suddenly all world McFadden was a punching bag on the forums for the way he was getting lit up. It would've helped to trade a Louisville and USF out for a Wake or BC type of game to let the game slow down for some of these kids. Trust me I'm no Kelly supporter and would have no issue with Miller or Kelly getting released just trying to be objective about the defense as a whole in September 2016. I'm be upset if guys like Andrews are getting 1st team reps then we will definitely agree. My main problem with Jimbo past few seasons is the team coming out flat way too often especially on the road not sure why we have to fall behind 2 scores every game it was a breath of fresh air to see them jump out on Michigan.
 

jwonder

Superstar
Joined
Aug 30, 2014
Messages
25,627
Reputation
-1,300
Daps
38,442
Reppin
DADE County
You can make all the excuses for Jimbo all you want but this team should win the chip with this talent.

The fact that he is holding on to a trash DC is telling tale on how stubborn be is.

Too many weapons for a another 4 game losing season.
 

FakeNews

Superstar
Joined
Jun 6, 2012
Messages
23,409
Reputation
1,424
Daps
60,286
Reppin
NULL
I dont think I have ever heard Jimbo this giddy about his WRs during a fall camp. That has to be a good omen.....Usually he stays ripping them.

@lastsonofkrypton made a good point on TN the schedule might actually be in FSUs favor because FSU sees a lot of bad to inexperienced QBs, Finley and Dungy might be the 3rd and 4th best QBs FSU see this year and both them dudes are just aight. Miami's scrub QB sucks. UF is a mess right now. We don't know much about Clemson's situation.

With that said I still dont really trust Kelly. I forgot that FSU gave up 15 points in two mins against Michigan. Let bum ass Speights march down the field IIRC. If he blows this defense this year he has got to go
 

Tide Run This

Veteran
Joined
May 26, 2012
Messages
33,793
Reputation
2,240
Daps
63,252
Reppin
Garnet N Gold
I dont think I have ever heard Jimbo this giddy about his WRs during a fall camp. That has to be a good omen.....Usually he stays ripping them.

@lastsonofkrypton made a good point on TN the schedule might actually be in FSUs favor because FSU sees a lot of bad to inexperienced QBs, Finley and Dungy might be the 3rd and 4th best QBs FSU see this year and both them dudes are just aight. Miami's scrub QB sucks. UF is a mess right now. We don't know much about Clemson's situation.

With that said I still dont really trust Kelly. I forgot that FSU gave up 15 points in two mins against Michigan. Let bum ass Speights march down the field IIRC. If he blows this defense this year he has got to go


Defense was gassed out stupid Marshall getting kicked out fukked that game over defense was cool Michigan scored on couple of short field possessions.
 

FakeNews

Superstar
Joined
Jun 6, 2012
Messages
23,409
Reputation
1,424
Daps
60,286
Reppin
NULL
Bailey Hockman got a little bit of hype but James Blackman passed him up and it looks he's the number two QB going into the season
 
Top