Sohh why is the nuclear family held up as the "gold standard" or natural order when its a recent invention?

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It's also a thread on the nuclear family, so why you got the second most posts ITT but none offered an answer to the topic question :jbhmm:
bytch I posted exactly wtf I wanted.

You right wing ass clown ass MAGA fakkit.

If you don't like it, kill yaself. :umad:
 

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bytch I posted exactly wtf I wanted.

You right wing ass clown ass MAGA fakkit.

If you don't like it, kill yaself. :umad:
Take of your mental health brehs

This is a poster who don't even know who he's fighting let alone why :to:

You can take the man out the tent I guess, but the tent is still in that man :mjcry:
 

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There's nothing 'recent' or unnatural about pair-bonding as it was observed in our closest ancestors and enabled homo sapiens to dominate the globe.

'Nuclear family' is just renaming something older than modern humans.​
pair bonding is not what the nuclear family means. Nuclear family is the idea. that each person lives in their own household with only their immediate family. IE: Wife and Kids. And that the kids are expected to leave the household when they turn 18 and start their own family.
Our ancestors exercised communal living, Grandparents and grandkids even inlaws all supported and lived in the same household as the parents even when grown.
 

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Take of your mental health brehs

This is a poster who don't even know who he's fighting let alone why :to:

You can take the man out the tent I guess, but the tent is still in that man :mjcry:
Irony :dead:

You stay crying on here for acceptance. :mjlol:

Another fatherless loser.
 

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Multiple adults making 60K >>>>> 2 adults making 100K :manny:


Multi generational living also cuts the cost of child care no need for babysitters when your mom aunt or sister is available to watch your children.


Multiple adults splitting a mortgage takes the work load off by a lot, far less stress about bills plus help with cooking and house tasks as well
Plus you can build a mansion or something like it. Have people living in different sections of the house. But lesbi honest - we’re not ready for that …
 

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Another thing that gets lost is in this communal living y'all are romanticizing, first and definitely second cousins married each other.

This is how land expanded while staying in the family.
 
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The family unit is the foundation of a community. I dont know how you can tell me that children from two parents homes don't have a better outcome than those out of single parent households. Thats why divorce is so devastating to children.

Also this isn't about controlling a partner WTF. While I'd argue that we're moreso serial monogamous most of us benefit from the idea that we have one partner. Its just the path of least resistance.

Also the isolation goes both ways. It's two fold. I've had a few of my friends henpecked 😆 after getting married. I barely see them. Everything else becomes a hobby. I think it's important for people to cultivate their friendships even when in a relationship or marriage though.

I ask again, what system other than the nuclear family gives similar or better outcomes for people? I haven't even factored in the idea of building generational wealth.
I mean, you wanna talk in theory, and I wanna speak in reality so this, as most of the conversations with ya'll, will be fruitless.

The answer is obviously in what I wrote. It's in a stable family. Multiple people need to be present. It doesn't need to be 2 parents specifically. And just choosing a random person who mostly just presents a representative of themselves to get what they want is not working.

And yes, it is about control. If it was really just about children and a nuclear family was "best" for everyone, then everyone who have children together would always be together. There would be no baby daddies, no divorce etc.

But the truth of the matter is that that is not what happens. First, most BP aren't even getting married when they have children together and even when they do the divorce rate is higher than the marriage rate.

It is not a working model. The only reason it ever worked because it literally made it impossible for women to live otherwise.

But I'm sure you will continue to speak in ideals as if we all can't see relationships around us fail left and right; as if we all don't know any people in completely miserable relationships and we don't catch people who lie about how "happy" they are all of sudden breaking up out of nowhere.

Date anyway you want but to completely build your life upon 1 person who could literally change their mind at any second is why so many single parent households exist.

The unrealistic expectations of your ideal world is exactly why it fails over and over again. But you don't care. Your just going to tell me about some exception to the rule while ignoring the reality of what happens in the vast majority of situations.

Go head. Tell me more about ideals and exceptionalism.
 

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pair bonding is not what the nuclear family means. Nuclear family is the idea. that each person lives in their own household with only their immediate family. IE: Wife and Kids. And that the kids are expected to leave the household when they turn 18 and start their own family.
Our ancestors exercised communal living, Grandparents and grandkids even inlaws all supported and lived in the same household as the parents even when grown.
That's EXACTLY how pair-bonding works, breh. Parents stay together and raise offspring. You're getting held-up on tangents, but the parents taking care of the kids until they're old enough to survive on their own and leave is an early hominid adaptation due to extended development/gestation periods. We see the SAME behavior in other mammals. It's a completely natural behavior.​
 

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That's EXACTLY how pair-bonding works, breh. Parents stay together and raise offspring. You're getting held-up on tangents, but the parents taking care of the kids until they're old enough to survive on their own and leave is an early hominid adaptation due to extended development/gestation periods. We see the SAME behavior in other mammals. It's a completely natural behavior.​
If that's what you meant then you are entirely wrong. Human society started as communal living. Babies literally breast fed from the entire village during primitive society. being raised only by your immediate family is a modern thing.
 

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If that's what you meant then you are entirely wrong.
In social living mammals and especially in primate societies, an alternative strategy for promoting reproductive success through infant survival is seen in the assistance given by other females (Hrdy, 2009). Serving as surrogate parents may involve a self-sacrifice for reproductive potential and often is undertaken by females that are genetically related to the offspring.
 

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Pair bonding according to your link is simply about being a monogamous couple. i was not arguing that people used to take multiple wives to raise their kids. I don't see how this supports the point you are trying to make. If makes no mention as to how those couple raise their families. simply that they form a lifelong bond between the two of them, you can do that with or without a family or extended relations under the same roof.
 

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Pair bonding according to your link is simply about being a monogamous couple. i was not arguing that people used to take multiple wives to raise their kids.
Neither was I.​
I don't see how this supports the point you are trying to make. If makes no mention as to how those couple raise their families. simply that they form a lifelong bond between the two of them, you can do that with or without a family or extended relations under the same roof.
The whole idea of a 'family', period, predates humanitys' ability to build houses. Prefixing it with 'nuclear' doesn't change that.​
 

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Neither was I.

The whole idea of a 'family', period, predates humanitys' ability to build houses. Prefixing it with 'nuclear' doesn't change that.​
you still have not articulated a point as to why you believe a multigenerational family living in close proximity with each other and helping raise each other is unnatural and why. versus the current standard of each generation living indepently of each other
 
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