Socialism Vs. Capitalism

[EndDomination]

Pointless debate when folks fail to acknowledge the real world failures we see in socialism.

No real world failures.

Only the machinery of imperialism and exploitation being utilized to destroy any attempts at liberation or socialism.

Every single socialist project, without a doubt, has been attacked, undermined, and suppressed from the outside.

Meanwhile, Sankara's Burkina Faso alone produced greater results than any "capitalist" attempt in that same time period

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Needless to say. I'm offended.

 

[DEAD7]

No real world failures.

Only the machinery of imperialism and exploitation being utilized to destroy any attempts at liberation or socialism.

Every single socialist project, without a doubt, has been attacked, undermined, and suppressed from the outside.

Meanwhile, Sankara's Burkina Faso alone produced greater results than any "capitalist" attempt in that same time period

So, it's proven to be unable to withstand outside interference? Or were the attempt(s) simply not robust enough?

 

[Pressure]

No real world failures.

Only the machinery of imperialism and exploitation being utilized to destroy any attempts at liberation or socialism.

Every single socialist project, without a doubt, has been attacked, undermined, and suppressed from the outside.

Meanwhile, Sankara's Burkina Faso alone produced greater results than any "capitalist" attempt in that same time period

Isn’t that the point?

If ideological socialism can’t exists within the construct of a world with ideological variety then there’s an issue.

It’s easy to blame it on external factors, but ultimately egalitarianism is outside of the natural order and it is t just humans.

And for that reason we often see far left ideology wanting or needing the mythical virtuous king

 

[Pressure]

So, it's proven to be unable to withstand outside interference? Or were the attempt(s) simply not robust enough?

Direct democracy doesn’t lead to a just society. Why would socialism escape that issue?

 

[EndDomination]

Isn’t that the point?

If ideological socialism can’t exists within the construct of a world with ideological variety then there’s an issue.

It’s easy to blame it on external factors, but ultimately egalitarianism is outside of the natural order and it is t just humans.

And for that reason we often see far left ideology wanting or needing the mythical virtuous king

No.

The issue isn't just "ideological variety." I think it's pretty uncontroverted that virtually all Western education systems are anti-communist, the same goes for its media wings.

I'm not just talking about the popularity of socialism or communism - I'm talking about the actual assassination of socialist and communist leaders internationally, the U.S./French/UK/German/Belgian/Spanish-backed coups and overthrows of even vaguely Left-leaning leaders, the color revolutions, the civil wars started by Western government-backed forces, the military invasions, the the "police actions," the non-controversial false flag operations, the spying, trade embargoes, bombings, torturing, ethnic cleansings, mass-incarceration, etc.

Western governments have committed every conceivable international crime and broken every international rule except detonating nuclear weapons on foreign soil post-1946 to stop socialist and communist projects from succeeding.

You think the Black Panther Party's biggest problem was "natural order" and not the U.S. government's literal war on teenagers and young adults?

 

[Pressure]

The issue isn't just "ideological variety." I think it's pretty uncontroverted that virtually all Western education systems are anti-communist, the same goes for its media wings.

Communism and socialism aren’t the same thing.

And we have proof positive of communist world powers failing their people.

Do better.

You’re still talking about theory where in 2023 you need to be able to actually discuss implementation and the continuity.

 

[Pressure]

It’s everyone else’s fault socialism failed is weak bro.

 

[EndDomination]

So, it's proven to be unable to withstand outside interference? Or were the attempt(s) simply not robust enough?

As noted above, what you mean by outside interference is:

• Ethnic cleansing;
• Assassination of governmental leaders;
• Invasions by multiple militaries;
• Carpet bombing of civilian areas;
• Trade embargoes to stop the flow of food, water and medicine into countries;
• False flag operations to target growing populist socialist/communist groups;
• The targetted flow of billions of dollars to anti-communist groups;
• Election interference on a mass scale;
• And that's just a handful of things done that has been openly covered in media

 

[EndDomination]

Communism and socialism aren’t the same thing.

And we have proof positive of communist world powers failing their people.

Do better.

You’re still talking about theory where in 2023 you need to be able to actually discuss implementation and the continuity.

Reply to the rest of the post, without being disingenuous.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

socialism> rugged individualism?

 

[EndDomination]

It’s everyone else’s fault socialism failed is weak bro.

French MP demands inquiry into murder of Burkina Faso president Sankara

A French left-wing Member of Parliament is calling on the government to shed light on the assassination of Burkina Faso president Thomas Sankara in a coup d’état 25 years ago.

www.rfi.fr

Operation Condor: the cold war conspiracy that terrorised South America

The long read: During the 1970s and 80s, eight US-backed military dictatorships jointly plotted the cross-border kidnap, torture, rape and murder of hundreds of their political opponents. Now some of the perpetrators are finally facing justice

www.theguardian.com

United States involvement in regime change in Latin America - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The FBI Killing of Fred Hampton: A Reminder For Young Organizers - Harvard Political Review

Fifty-five years after the Black Panther Party's founding, Fred Hampton’s assassination by the U.S government reflects a troubled reminder for young organizers.

harvardpolitics.com

Operation Mongoose - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What Went Wrong in Vietnam

The military historian Max Boot takes on the counter-insurgency maven Edward Lansdale.

www.newyorker.com

DISPUTE GROWS OVER WESTERN TRADE WITH THE COMMUNIST BLOC; U.S. POSITION: A Hard Line Is Stressed but Policies Vary With the Situation; ALLIES' POSITION: They Cite a Greater Need To Trade and Move for Expansion (Published 1964)

www.nytimes.com

Cold war sanctions - Embargoes and Sanctions

www.americanforeignrelations.com

Marxist–Leninist Party of the Netherlands - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The CIA’s Secret Global War Against the Left

Forty-five years ago, under a cloak of secrecy, Operation Condor was officially launched: a global campaign of violent repression against the Latin American left by the region’s quasi-fascist military dictatorships. The US government not only knew about the program — it helped to engineer it.

jacobin.com

The CIA Undermined Postcolonial Africa From the Start

From undermining national liberation leaders to playing a central role in the assassination of Congolese radical Patrice Lumumba, not enough attention is paid to the CIA’s shameful role in Africa. A new book aims to correct that.

jacobin.com

Inside the CIA’s Penal Colonies

Declassified CIA documents reveal a deadly security state operating far outside the bounds of democratic control.

jacobin.com

A Marxist threat to cola sales? Pepsi demands a US coup. Goodbye Allende. Hello Pinochet

'It is the firm and continuing policy that Allende be overthrown by a coup... Please review all your present and possibly new activities to include propaganda, black operations, surfacing of intelligence or disinformation, personal contacts, or anything else your imagination can conjure...''Eyes...

www.theguardian.com

Probing the depths of the CIA’s misdeeds in Africa

The CIA committed many crimes in the early days of post-independence Africa. But is it fair to call their interference “recolonization”?

africasacountry.com

Nixon and the Cambodian Genocide

The genocidal rule of the Khmer Rouge began forty years ago this month. Their rise to power was inseparable from US intervention.

jacobin.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/26/AR2007062600861.html

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I can't see OP

 

[mastermind]

It’s amazing that socialism and communism doesn’t work, but this amazing capitalism thing that’s leading to global warming, lack of resources, suffering, wars and many more has been working swimmingly.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

So, it's proven to be unable to withstand outside interference? Or were the attempt(s) simply not robust enough?

If ideological socialism can’t exists within the construct of a world with ideological variety then there’s an issue.

It’s easy to blame it on external factors

You could replace socialism with "Black self-determination" and all of your arguments would be just as accurate. Which is to say, they're not.


When a racist claims that Black-led nations and cities have struggled to measure up to non-Black ones on major indicators, is that proof that Black leadership is inferior, or was it due to outside interference and explicitly disadvantaging conditions that have been dealt them?

And is the lack of "resiliency" by Black-led areas to overcome the disadvantages of White supremacy prove there's so sort of issue with Black leadership? Or does it prove that overwhelming power used in an evil way sucks for everyone regardless of who the target it?