So Will The Coli Stop Snubbing Swizz Beatz, Now That He Smoked Your Beloved Timbaland?
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Two things though, first, who cares about the general public? Whether a casual fan bought an album has no bearing on whether that album is good.
Two, we’ve all bought albums that were wack. You don’t buy an album after having listened to every available album extensively and determining which one is the best. You buy an album because you like the rapper, or you like the single, or features, or you like their last album, etc.
Quality is opinion, but there is a general consensus amongst heads as to which albums are high quality
Third huh? :pdahell2:
@JuvenileHell the parade of disrespect towards you continues unabated :pdahell2:
Honestly it was a pretty disappointing beat battle on both sides.
Neither of these guys are sniffing a top ten list for me
They’d get destroyed by Primo, Havoc, RZA, Pete Rock, EPMD, Dre, Marley...but none of these guys have late 90s to early 2000s radio hits, so Timb or Swizz would be tough to beat with The general public.
Honestly it was a pretty disappointing beat battle on both sides.
Neither of these guys are sniffing a top ten list for me
They’d get destroyed by Primo, Havoc, RZA, Pete Rock, EPMD, Dre, Marley...but none of these guys have late 90s to early 2000s radio hits, so Timb or Swizz would be tough to beat with The general public.
Radio hits aren't why Timbaland and Swizz are tough to beat. The whole appeal to their production is that neither made music to be simply be mere backdrops to a vocal. They had these beats that took on a life of their own. Like, the instrumentals could stand on their own. With Timbaland, Jay, Luda, Missy, and maybe Nas are all artists that knew how to maneuver on his production where they wouldn't get lost or struggle to find the pockets. With Swizz, Jay, X, and Eve were artists that knew their way around his beats.
I would put Timbaland in a Top 10 because he represents the difference between the producers who came before and those after. The whole rhythm was different after him. Everything was bouncier and producers relied more on unorthodox sounds and drum patterns to make beats. After Tim, the regional barriers were broken down because the sound didn't sound like the West, East, South, or Midwest, it was different, but everybody from Snoop to Lil Kim to Jay to Nas gravitated to it. Gradually, Timbaland became the go to producer. Even when Swizz slowed down bu 2001, Timbaland became bigger.
Beat battles aren't really about the best beats or even songs. If you don't have anthems in your catalog, you will lose. It's all about beats that will get a response out of the crowd. So it wouldn't be as easy as playing classic records because a lot of songs from Premo, Pete Rock, Havoc, RZA, Dre, etc. are classic, but do are they joints that will rock a stadium.
Lil' Jon isn't an all time great producer, but he would be difficult to beat simply because most of his catalog consists of anthemic, hype joints. He's a crunk producer who could put on a show.
Sure they are. What I mean by "radio hits" is what you wrote here.
Producers will get the best response out of the crowd by playing the beats that everyone knows and loves. Which 9 times out of 10 is going to be a radio hit.
I'm not really sure what this means. Are you saying the producers I listed made beats that were mere backdrops to vocals? That their beats can't stand on their own?
I would cite this as evidence of why I don't like Timbaland :prodigylol:
I hear you though. :psalute:
Didn't Timb kind of slow down in the early to mid 2000s? After Bubba and before he came back with his pop sound in 2006? I could be wrong though.
Dre definitely has anthems that would rock a stadium. :prodigylol:
Pete Rock and Havoc maybe with TROY and Shook Ones?
But I hear your point...a stadium is likely gonna have mostly casual fans. They will respond more to radio hits from the late 90s and early 2000s then beats from anybody else on that list, with the exception of Dre.
Smaller setting with a more knowledgeable fan base and you get a different reaction.
I don't know if anyone has ever made a post I disagree with more than this right here :prodigylol:
Post is 100% facts.
Sold and played are two different things. Also, who was buying and who was playing?
Damn near all of them
2 Bring Your Whole Crew
10 Slippin'
Off the top of my head this is what I'd keep.
I'm sure many of the other tracks were solid
The original Prodigy version was a big record in 99. Verse of the year in the Source. Outside of Shook Ones that's their most recognizable beat ever.
Are we talking "mainstream" or the core hip hop audience?
I would put the crowd at Summer Jam in 2018 as casuals. Definitely for Swizz and Timbs late 90s heyday and everything before it. Average person there probably born in the mid 90s. They might be hardcore Lil Pump fans though
An example of what I'm talking about is "nikka What, nikka Who", "Is That Your Chick", "Money, Cash, Hoes", and "Banned From T.V." are anthems that without really being radio hits.
I'm saying they all showcased the talents of the lyricists. Some of them do stand alone as instrumentals though.
Nah, early '00's had Timbaland lacing Jay, Jadakiss, Ludacris, Fabolous, Lil Kim Snoop, as well as his own camp like Petey Pablo and Bubba Sparxxx. Mid 2000's had Tim lacing Lloyd Banks, The Game, LL Cool J, Xzibit, and some others.