SO why wasn't roy jones jr a bigger p4p star?

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Derekjackson2 said:
To Roy's credit he tried to be his own boss but in the 90's Don King & Bob Arum had the networks in a choke hold. Floyd was only able to do it once Don lost it & the networks were tired on Arum. Roy was the biggest star but the big fights couldn't be made without those two.
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What big fights for roy couldn't be made because of arum and king?
 
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The British super middleweights like Benn, Collins, & Eubanks has US deals with King. Julian Jackson & Gerald Mccellan had deals with King. Michaelewski check my spelling had a US deal with Arum. Everyone else Roy fought. What I mean by US deal is they fought in their country with their promoters but if they came to the US they had to give them a piece.
 
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Like when Manny fought Margarito, Roy made beating Ruiz look easy but taking punches from fighters 20-30 lbs bigger than you is dangerous. Fighting at heavyweight was not an option. He should have made Tarver come to cruiserweight for the second fight or fight another cruiserweight.
 
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Derekjackson2 said:
Like when Manny fought Margarito, Roy made beating Ruiz look easy but taking punches from fighters 20-30 lbs bigger than you is dangerous. Fighting at heavyweight was not an option. He should have made Tarver come to cruiserweight for the second fight or fight another cruiserweight.
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No he should fought Tarver the first fight at CW, that's what ruined him the most, because he didn't lose the weight properly. Roy basically said he just ran the weight off to make the weight, similar to what Chris Byrd did when he dropped down to LHW. RJJ didn't want to pay Mackie Shilstone the extra money for the first Tarver fight so he looked like sh!t and barely won. Roy went back to Mackie for Tarver 2 but the damage was already done from the first fight trying to make weight.


Here's an interview that I posted on this site a few times stating the facts about the damage weight lost can do from Mackie Shilstone who has also worked with Michael Spinks and Benard Hopkins as well. Recently worked with Ward.

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BOXINGTALK : EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: MACKIE SHILSTONE

June 12, 2008

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: MACKIE SHILSTONE

By Krishen Rangi

How much of an issue is a fighter moving up taking the naturally bigger guy's shots. What have Spinks, Jones, Hopkins, guys like that said about their ability to absorb punches at higher weights?

I don't know of any fighter in the business of taking punches. Depends on the fighter if he has the power to take the punches. It's as much mental as it is physical. In the Jones/Ruiz fight we wanted to break his nose, that was the plan. We knew Ruiz had broken his nose in the Holyfield fight, and Roy broke his nose in the 6th round. He couldnt breathe out of it after that.

What happened to Roy Jones when he went back down to light-heavyweight to fight Tarver after you had helped him move up and beat Ruiz for the heavyweight title?

You have to remember Roy is such a talented athlete. The muscle that was put on is very difficult to take off. It was a very tough fight. Draining to anyone but he ended up winning. The same thing happended to Tarver when he did the Rocky movie. He was in the 220s then he came down and he was compromised against Bernard. I would have liked to see Roy stay at heavyweight, and I told him that. I think Roy would have beaten Tyson. I think Roy would have beaten Holyfield, but the fights weren't there. Muscle is not easy to take off, it affects your immune system.

How much did Roy weigh for the Ruiz fight?

200 lbs.

There was a story circulating he had weights in his pocket and he really weighed 193.
Before we went down for the weigh-in we were all kidding what Roy would weigh. Roy had been in the range of 199-200. What happned was Roy got on the scale and a fight broke out between Alton Merkerson and Ruiz's camp. Mark Ratner who was doing the weigh-in never let the scale adjust because the fight had broke out. I know Mark, and told him that's not his weight you should correct it. When Roy went to the hotel room and got on the scale he was laughing and saying "I can't believe it". He takes his shirt off and steps on the scale, and this is on the documentary ESPN did called "The Sweet Science". Mark Ratner was there too. I told him to call HBO so they wouldn't think it was rebound weight and they mentioned that on the broadcast.
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