So who is the goat baseball player?

[ghostwriterx]

Better Career
ERA +
WHIP
Had a better SO/BB ratio
Much better prime

Ryan career ERA+ 117
Brow career ERA+ 127

Ryan career WHIP 1.247
Brown career WHIP 1.222

Ryan career K/9 9.5
Brown career K/9 6.6

Ryan career H/9 6.6 (lead league 12 times)
Brown career H/9 8.5 (lead league 0 times)

Ryan lead league in Ks 11 times
Brown lead league in Ks 0 times.

 

[HookersandIceCream]

Ryan career ERA+ 117
Brow career ERA+ 127

Ryan career WHIP 1.247
Brown career WHIP 1.222

Ryan career K/9 9.5
Brown career K/9 6.6

Ryan career H/9 6.6 (lead league 12 times)
Brown career H/9 8.5 (lead league 0 times)

Ryan lead league in Ks 11 times
Brown lead league in Ks 0 times.

So your telling me Nolan Ryan is better at striking out people?

 

[Walt]

Ryan career ERA+ 117
Brow career ERA+ 127

Ryan career WHIP 1.247
Brown career WHIP 1.222

Ryan career K/9 9.5
Brown career K/9 6.6

Ryan career H/9 6.6 (lead league 12 times)
Brown career H/9 8.5 (lead league 0 times)

Ryan lead league in Ks 11 times
Brown lead league in Ks 0 times.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hard to get hits off a dude who keeps walking you. Walks aren't some shyt you can just toss to the side like they don't matter. Ryan is a very unique player, and was damn good. But he isn't a top 20 pitcher let alone the greatest baseball player of all time. I can't believe his name came up at all. At least When I said Derek Jeter, I knew I was being absurd.

 

[HHR]

Based on what?

Nolan Ryan's greatness is defined solely by his longevity. He was essentially a compiler who was never really GREAT.

You obviously have to take overall career into account when defining a player's legacy, but I place more weight on their peak. And Nolan's peak is dwarfed by many pitchers who tend to come up well behind him on all-time lists.

Like Kevin Brown.

Outside of strikeout totals, the only thing Ryan did better than Brown was pitch a lot more games.

Look at their best 10-year stretches, which is LONG peak for pitchers.

Brown (92-01)
310 GS/2161 IP
140 ERA+
WHIP - 1.16
K/9 - 7.1
BB/9 - 2.2
K/BB - 3.18

WAR - 52.9

Ryan (72-81)
344 GS/2564 IP
116 ERA+
WHIP - 1.284
K/9 - 9.7
BB/9 - 5.2
K/BB - 1.88

WAR - 43.5


Now tell me again who the better pitcher was.

 

[ghostwriterx]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hard to get hits off a dude who keeps walking you. Walks aren't some shyt you can just toss to the side like they don't matter. Ryan is a very unique player, and was damn good. But he isn't a top 20 pitcher let alone the greatest baseball player of all time. I can't believe his name came up at all. At least When I said Derek Jeter, I knew I was being absurd.

But apparently we can do that with strikeouts.

Never said he was top 20, but that list of 50 pitchers better than him was ridiculous. Not sure why people are overrating walks. His ERA and K numbers more than overcome his walk totals which are admittedly high.

 

[Walt]

But apparently we can do that with strikeouts.

Not sure why people are overrating walks.

:

I'm just properly rating walks.

 

[ghostwriterx]

Nolan Ryan's greatness is defined solely by his longevity. He was essentially a compiler who was never really GREAT.

You obviously have to take overall career into account when defining a player's legacy, but I place more weight on their peak. And Nolan's peak is dwarfed by many pitchers who tend to come up well behind him on all-time lists.

Like Kevin Brown.

Outside of strikeout totals, the only thing Ryan did better than Brown was pitch a lot more games.

Look at their best 10-year stretches, which is LONG peak for pitchers.

Brown (92-01)
310 GS/2161 IP
140 ERA+
WHIP - 1.16
K/9 - 7.1
BB/9 - 2.2
K/BB - 3.18

WAR - 52.9

Ryan (72-81)
344 GS/2564 IP
116 ERA+
WHIP - 1.284
K/9 - 9.7
BB/9 - 5.2
K/BB - 1.88

WAR - 43.5


Now tell me again who the better pitcher was.

I would agree Brown had a better peak, but I'll take Ryan's 27 year career over Brown's 19 year career. Brown's prime lasted like 6 years and he was juicing.

Not a big believer in WAR either, but where are you getting those numbers from?

Do you think Brown's a HOF?

 

[HHR]

All those numbers came from Baseball-Reference...and no, Brown probably falls just short of being a HOFer. But he's probably better than many in the Hall.

Nolan Ryan had a better career, but Brown was the better pitcher.

 

[Real Talk of NY]

All those numbers came from Baseball-Reference...and no, Brown probably falls just short of being a HOFer. But he's probably better than many in the Hall.

Nolan Ryan had a better career, but Brown was the better pitcher.

this is contradictory on so many levels.

 

[superunknown23]

I don't respect any accomplishments set before integration

 

[HHR]

I don't respect any accomplishments set before integration

So you don't respect the accomplishments of any Negro League players?

 

[Miggs]

Barry US Bonds

but comparing stats of different eras is a fools argument...You have to measure a players stats of his era against his peers versus what Bonds did in era against his peers...

 

[HookersandIceCream]

Barry US Bonds

but comparing stats of different eras is a fools argument...You have to measure a players stats of his era against his peers versus what Bonds did in era against his peers...

Hence ERA + OPS +

 

[Texas2step]

I don't understand how yall can discredit Barry Bonds accomplishments. Did he not hit those HRs? Did he not steal those bases?

He didnt use any metal bats or magic balls. He didn't pay players to take it easy on him.

Using modern medicine to recover from an injury isn't cheating.

 

[HHR]

this is contradictory on so many levels.

Not really.