So we're just going to ignore what the Obama Admin. has done lately?

[Type Username Here]

One more time, here is Senator Obama in June 2008:

Obama said the government can crack down on terrorists "within the constraints of our Constitution." He mentioned Guantanamo Bay detainees, contrasting their treatment with the prosecution of the 1993 World Trade Center bombings.

Obama agreed with the Supreme Court ruling last week that detainees in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have a constitutional right to challenge their indefinite imprisonment in U.S. civilian courts. McCain derided the ruling as "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."

Here is President Obama signing the NDAA:

“I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists.”

Now, if the only logical arguments for the defense of this are the following:

"Yea, but you were stupid and naive for believing a politician"
"Yea, but politicians lie all the time"
"Yea, but he is the lesser of two evils"

How are we EVER going to fix our system? I have yet to have a proper response to this question here. It always gets ignored.

 

[Brown_Pride]

One more time, here is Senator Obama in June 2008:



Here is President Obama signing the NDAA:


Now, if the only logical arguments for the defense of this are the following:

"Yea, but you were stupid and naive for believing a politician"
"Yea, but politicians lie all the time"
"Yea, but he is the lesser of two evils"

How are we EVER going to fix our system? I have yet to have a proper response to this question here. It always gets ignored.

there really isn't a proper answer to give.
honestly i think sometimes people turn a blind eye to shyt they don't like but think might be necessary.

 

[Type Username Here]

there really isn't a proper answer to give.
honestly i think sometimes people turn a blind eye to shyt they don't like but think might be necessary.

It's human nature, I understand.

But the question still stands:

If the only logical arguments for the defense of this are the following:

"Yea, but you were stupid and naive for believing a politician"
"Yea, but politicians lie all the time"
"Yea, but he is the lesser of two evils"

How are we EVER going to fix our system?

There are a lot of politically savvy people here that always respond with one of those three arguments, but they can't answer the question.

 

[No1]

TUH, this entire topic has been debated before. Like how fukking pedantic can someone be? Do you want us to debate this every single month when there are more pressing concerns? Do you honestly think with the middle class shrinking and people struggling to make ends meet that this is going to be at the top or our agenda? Everyone has the economy at the top of their list of important items and you're wondering why there aren't 85 threads on this every month?

I don't know what your deal is, but you've been a sarcastic, caustic and unnecessarily disrespectful prick for the better part of a month. Who do you think actually wants to debate with you right now? Go open up that thread for and you know we're all on your side on this issue. You're fighting against no one, but imagined enemies.

 

[Brown_Pride]

It's human nature, I understand.

But the question still stands:

If the only logical arguments for the defense of this are the following:

"Yea, but you were stupid and naive for believing a politician"
"Yea, but politicians lie all the time"
"Yea, but he is the lesser of two evils"

How are we EVER going to fix our system?

There are a lot of politically savvy people here that always respond with one of those three arguments, but they can't answer the question.

stfu and we'll tackle this issue after we get him in office
That's my answer. I don't agree with it, i don't like it but i'm having to take the approach of my enemy's enemy is my friend and right now Romney is the enemy.

Let me put it like this.
Imagine we're all on a mission to kill Darth Vader. We're in the Millennium Falcon and we have him in our sights, he's in that rinky dink little fighter thingy on his way to fire up the death star.

Your ass wants to stop chase to discuss the improper filing of requisition forms .

THAT is more or less why right now you're getting the cold shoulder. AFTER we blow this b*stard out the sky if you want to talk about those forms then i'm on that all day long.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Oh, and all his unprovoked insults in this thread before anyone even responded were?

You can't be like "Hey you dumb fukking brainwashed a$$holes come debate me respectfully and intellectually." TUH does that all the time.

come on man, all you do here and back on is insult people who disagree with you.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I don't have time to fully respond now, but later on tonight I'm gonna respond in full and post an example of TUH ethering TUH's entire argument with his own words.

 

[Serious]

It's human nature, I understand.

But the question still stands:

If the only logical arguments for the defense of this are the following:

"Yea, but you were stupid and naive for believing a politician"
"Yea, but politicians lie all the time"
"Yea, but he is the lesser of two evils"

How are we EVER going to fix our system?

There are a lot of politically savvy people here that always respond with one of those three arguments, but they can't answer the question.

Honestly, I've noticed numerous people in HL / KTL come to this conclusion.

There really is no clear cut answer. Last year I spent nearly 3 months researching an alternative solution to fixing our government. I also considered whether or not a utopian society would work, simply because I believe our present system of checks and balances have been corrupted for the worse. I later came to the realization, that human nature ultimately gets in the way. Most utopian societies usually fail with 2-3 years anyways over pity disagreements(money,weed,Women,land).

The solution. IDK

Our society is filled with too many idiots and people who think like sheep to truly change.

Basically what I'm trying to say is, yes we're stuck with this system.

Trust me, I was going through withdraws a while back too, when I learned about numerous things America does and is currently doing, overseas and domestically. There's a lot of sh*t, which more than justifies people like the thekingsmen and Leyet etc. to be highly skeptical of our government run institutions.

Now that I've calmed down, smashed a few pawgs, The lesser of two evils, doesn't sound too bad to me now.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I agree with the ruling. I have no sympathy for terrorists or suspected terrorists. Yeah the wording of the law is scary but we need to be able to round these people up and get rid of them

 

[daze23]

How are we EVER going to fix our system?

any solution I can think of involves 'radical change'

 

[Type Username Here]

I don't have time to fully respond now, but later on tonight I'm gonna respond in full and post an example of TUH ethering TUH's entire argument with his own words.

Please do, I've ethered your argument with your own words already. Hopefully you can catch up and break even.

 

[Type Username Here]

I'm sitting here on a decade's worth of VicVonDoom/lukecage self ether here. Regarding this issue.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

One more time, here is Senator Obama in June 2008:



Here is President Obama signing the NDAA:


Now, if the only logical arguments for the defense of this are the following:

"Yea, but you were stupid and naive for believing a politician"
"Yea, but politicians lie all the time"
"Yea, but he is the lesser of two evils"

How are we EVER going to fix our system? I have yet to have a proper response to this question here. It always gets ignored.

He didn't change his views, he compromised them for the greater good of the country. More politicians should do this and maybe the country could move forward.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Please do, I've ethered your argument with your own words already. Hopefully you can catch up and break even.

No you have not. I am not pro-NDAA and never was. I never flip-flopped or contradicted myself. You know I am one of the most consistent regular posters. Now you? Not so much. But like I said I'll respond later.

 

[Type Username Here]

TUH, this entire topic has been debated before. Like how fukking pedantic can someone be? Do you want us to debate this every single month when there are more pressing concerns? Do you honestly think with the middle class shrinking and people struggling to make ends meet that this is going to be at the top or our agenda? Everyone has the economy at the top of their list of important items and you're wondering why there aren't 85 threads on this every month?

I don't know what your deal is, but you've been a sarcastic, caustic and unnecessarily disrespectful prick for the better part of a month. Who do you think actually wants to debate with you right now? Go open up that thread for and you know we're all on your side on this issue. You're fighting against no one, but imagined enemies.

Ban me then a$$hole.

The stay was granted recently. The specific portion that the President said he didn't agree with happened to be the one he specifically asked to be overturned. That is worthy of pointing out and making a thread about.