So they really thought they could get Denzel to take a non lead role in Fast & Furious

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I don't give a shyt about how much money these dumbed down action movies be making. I regard them as simpleton movies for simpleton viewers.

Denzel performs in more refined cinema for the sophisticated viewers and since most people hate movies with intricate plots because they don't like to be challenged, they don't watch them.

Therefore, they don't make as much money
 

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I wouldn't say he does 'more refined cinema for sophisticated viewers".. I'd say he's more interested in doing movies that rely on character moreso over a big budget hollywood flick that relies on over the top action scenes, car chases and heavy CGI.

People forget he's still a classically trained actor like respected actors Sean Penn and DDL are.. He just doesn't get the great scripts or get to work with guys like PTA or Scorcese and he doesn't rub shoulders and kiss ass like George Clooney does. The good scripts he gets are throwaways.. Bruce Willis and Tom Sizemore turned down Training Day before he took it on. Hell, even Flight was John Travolta throwaway...
 
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The arguments in here are hilarious.

It ain't about box office numbers or 'refined cinema'....it's about Denzel being in a place in his career where he can do whatever the fukk he wants to do. And he doesn't want to be in ff, no matter how mad that makes you feel. May be because he thinks the quality is shytty, may be because he doesn't want to support such shytty actors, who knows? It doesn't really matter anyway.

And :pacspit: @ @Prodigal Syndicate for tryna shyt on Book of Eli....that movie's dope and better than anything in Vin Diesel's catalog. Watch your mouth. :ufdup:
 

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Burning Question: Is Denzel Washington Hollywood's Most Reliable Hit Machine?

Why does Denzel Washington get so many box office hits in a row? Is he the biggest A-lister in the world right now?
- I. Gilbert, Vermont


Denzel does have a habit of delivering more than $20 million in box office receipts whenever one of his movies opens. The latest release, "2 Guns", is no exception, having logged $27.4 million this past weekend. That's certainly not as stellar as, say, "Safe House" ($40.2 million) or "The Book of Eli" ($32.8 million) but it's better than "The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3" ($23.4 million). Even the Oscar-bait movie "Flight" has made money, and that's saying something for a movie where all the action comes in the first 15 minutes.

In historical context, it's clear that "2 Guns" didn’t, um, blow the box office away, but Washington still seems to be having a better summer than many. (Right, Ryan Reynolds?) Sure, Johnny Depp's "Lone Ranger" brought in roughly the same amount in its opening weekend earlier this season — but that flick was a $250 million production. As opposed to, you know, "2 Guns", which cost a modest-by-comparison $61 million (not counting its marketing budget). Still, the gun-slinging Denzel flick is much more likely to break even.

So: Is Washington the biggest, or at least the most financially reliable, star on Earth right now?

Well, dataheads sure like him. Ray Subers at Box Office Mojo calls Washington "one of the most consistently bankable stars in the business."

If the first rule for a Hollywood star, like a doctor is "do no harm", then Denzel starts out on solid ground. He has avoided spectacular bombs like "Lone Ranger" or risky giant bets such as Brad Pitt's "World War Z."

Washington's films rarely end up earning the kind of world-devouring money that Depp or Robert Downey Jr's big hits do. The biggest grosser of his career, "American Gangster," earned a nice but-by-Hollywood-standards not jaw-dropping $266 million worldwide. Compare that with Depp whose two biggest "Pirates" film have crossed the billion mark. But if the payoff is smaller, the bet is safer.

And there is one more factor we should consider: The Ulmer Scale. In essence, Hollywood journalist James Ulmer created this ranking which measures the financial value of a star. It doesn't predict box office, but it calculates something equally important: The chances that, by hiring a certain actor, producers will make all of their money back in pre-sales before a single frame of a movie has been shot.

Interestingly, Depp and Brad Pitt currently enjoy a top Ulmer score of 100; if hired, Ulmer predicts that their employers absolutely, without a doubt, will make money, essentially. Or at least break even.

Washington? His current score is 98.

"Johnny Depp is our gold standard when it comes to Ulmer," casting director Bonnie Gillespie explains. "Denzel has a 98 Ulmer score, but he's one of those people who's known as making really good choices. It's not that the other guys make poor choices, but sometimes they've been thrown an awful lot of money to do something that is spectacularly bad."

Counting Depp's recent bomb and Pitt’s "World War Z" — the latter of which only recently made its money back on a giant production budget of $170 million — don’t be shocked if next year's Ulmer scale comes out with new numbers favoring Washington.

"Denzel Washington is Mr. Consistency at the box office, no doubt about it," Exhibitor Relations box office analyst Jeff Bock tells Yahoo! Movies. "However, that makes him more of a Paul Pierce than a LeBron James. ... Or, if you'd rather do a golf metaphor — he stays on the fairway, but seldom drives it all the way to the green."

:myman:
 

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The arguments in here are hilarious.

It ain't about box office numbers or 'refined cinema'....it's about Denzel being in a place in his career where he can do whatever the fukk he wants to do. And he doesn't want to be in ff, no matter how mad that makes you feel. May be because he thinks the quality is shytty, may be because he doesn't want to support such shytty actors, who knows? It doesn't really matter anyway.

And :pacspit: @ @Prodigal Syndicate for tryna shyt on Book of Eli....that movie's dope and better than anything in Vin Diesel's catalog. Watch your mouth. :ufdup:

Prodigal Syndicate comes across as a bit of a fakkot to be fair
 

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obviously denzel is a top notch actor, but hes made PLENTY of duds and flops that arent anywhere close to the ff franchise. To act as if hes above it is laughable.

I bet if you add up his last ten movies box offices they might not even break even withh ff6.

And not every great actor needs to be top billing every single movie.
You don't know what your talking about ... Does Shia get top billing over Denzel ? Denzel on name alone gets movies made Flop or not his next 6 pictures getting made . I love the ff series but one flop and it'll be over. Denzel , Ryan gosling , etc do whatever kind of movie they want without the pressure of having to follow studio demands for sequels and stuff
 

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Burning Question: Is Denzel Washington Hollywood's Most Reliable Hit Machine?

Why does Denzel Washington get so many box office hits in a row? Is he the biggest A-lister in the world right now?
- I. Gilbert, Vermont


Denzel does have a habit of delivering more than $20 million in box office receipts whenever one of his movies opens. The latest release, "2 Guns", is no exception, having logged $27.4 million this past weekend. That's certainly not as stellar as, say, "Safe House" ($40.2 million) or "The Book of Eli" ($32.8 million) but it's better than "The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3" ($23.4 million). Even the Oscar-bait movie "Flight" has made money, and that's saying something for a movie where all the action comes in the first 15 minutes.

In historical context, it's clear that "2 Guns" didn’t, um, blow the box office away, but Washington still seems to be having a better summer than many. (Right, Ryan Reynolds?) Sure, Johnny Depp's "Lone Ranger" brought in roughly the same amount in its opening weekend earlier this season — but that flick was a $250 million production. As opposed to, you know, "2 Guns", which cost a modest-by-comparison $61 million (not counting its marketing budget). Still, the gun-slinging Denzel flick is much more likely to break even.

So: Is Washington the biggest, or at least the most financially reliable, star on Earth right now?

Well, dataheads sure like him. Ray Subers at Box Office Mojo calls Washington "one of the most consistently bankable stars in the business."

If the first rule for a Hollywood star, like a doctor is "do no harm", then Denzel starts out on solid ground. He has avoided spectacular bombs like "Lone Ranger" or risky giant bets such as Brad Pitt's "World War Z."

Washington's films rarely end up earning the kind of world-devouring money that Depp or Robert Downey Jr's big hits do. The biggest grosser of his career, "American Gangster," earned a nice but-by-Hollywood-standards not jaw-dropping $266 million worldwide. Compare that with Depp whose two biggest "Pirates" film have crossed the billion mark. But if the payoff is smaller, the bet is safer.

And there is one more factor we should consider: The Ulmer Scale. In essence, Hollywood journalist James Ulmer created this ranking which measures the financial value of a star. It doesn't predict box office, but it calculates something equally important: The chances that, by hiring a certain actor, producers will make all of their money back in pre-sales before a single frame of a movie has been shot.

Interestingly, Depp and Brad Pitt currently enjoy a top Ulmer score of 100; if hired, Ulmer predicts that their employers absolutely, without a doubt, will make money, essentially. Or at least break even.

Washington? His current score is 98.

"Johnny Depp is our gold standard when it comes to Ulmer," casting director Bonnie Gillespie explains. "Denzel has a 98 Ulmer score, but he's one of those people who's known as making really good choices. It's not that the other guys make poor choices, but sometimes they've been thrown an awful lot of money to do something that is spectacularly bad."

Counting Depp's recent bomb and Pitt’s "World War Z" — the latter of which only recently made its money back on a giant production budget of $170 million — don’t be shocked if next year's Ulmer scale comes out with new numbers favoring Washington.

"Denzel Washington is Mr. Consistency at the box office, no doubt about it," Exhibitor Relations box office analyst Jeff Bock tells Yahoo! Movies. "However, that makes him more of a Paul Pierce than a LeBron James. ... Or, if you'd rather do a golf metaphor — he stays on the fairway, but seldom drives it all the way to the green."

:myman:



:whew:
 

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I don't give a shyt about how much money these dumbed down action movies be making. I regard them as simpleton movies for simpleton viewers.
Denzel performs in more refined cinema for the sophisticated viewers and since most people hate movies with intricate plots because they don't like to be challenged, they don't watch them.
Therefore, they don't make as much money

:russ: funniest shyt ive read on here ever, if denzel movies are sophisticated to you with intricate plots then you must have an iq of a walnut.

:heh:
 

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Denzel is a victim of his own success.......besides a lil hints in "Flight"...he has gotten lazy for an actor of his caliber...he needs to sit down with Daniel day Lewis for a month a re-evaluate himself.

Denzel , like George Clooney, plays the same character with the same facial expressions and manuerisms (sp?)

Look at DDL in "There will be Blood" and "Lincoln"....the same guy...but looked and acted like 2 different people.

I really wish Denzel would cut the bullshyt
 
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