So Michael Bay made this his TMNT design? :S

[Black White Sox Hat]

Thank god we didn't get this though.That turtle looks like it's about to die.

 

[Jazzy B.]

as if anyone cares what YOU think is "dumb" I've logically embarrassed you throughout this "discussion"...I'm even impressed that I've gone this far to entertain it.

No you haven't :Berlusconi:

And now you're an accountant and a marketing executive ...these 90s babies

was that supposed to dismiss the facts that I presented, you call that a counter-point .

The movie GROSSED over 300 mill...the second film over 400 mill. Your point about "drastic changes" is a stagnant point. Directors, actors, producers etc often change up for multiple reasons...anything from scheduling and contract commitments to other films and projects. Iron Man for example despite being a commercial success, changed up Terrance Howard to Don Cheadle all on the account of a contract dispute. And you CONVENIETLY left out the fact that the second doo-doo film had a budget of 130 mill. It nearly tripled more than the first film despite your belief that it "flopped" ..and grossed over 400 mill in total...but in your birdbrain logic that isn't a success.

,Keep pretending that the first film didn't have a $175M budget excluding marketing costs and that it barely broke even. If you actually read what I wrote, you would clearly see that I never once said the second(Retaliation) flopped, I said;

The first GI:Joe film flopped that's why they semi-rebooted it in the second and got rid of all the actors from the first bar Tatum, they also reduced the budget by $40M

You keep saying that GI:Joe The Rise of Cobra didn't flop and that it did $300M despite it's budget being a whopping $175M discounting marketing costs. If it didn't flop why wasn't the 99% of the main cast from the former retained, why was it semi-rebooted?, why did it go from "kiddie" and over the top to "gritty" and "dark", why was the budget slashed from $175M to around $130M, why so many drastic changes if it was a success?, do you want to know the answer? don't worry i'll give you it, it flopped. But yes keep saying that it was a success despite the film barely breaking even .

equate one minor casting change to a whole cast bar one being changed. The second Iron Man film didn't have it's budget decreased, it didn't have it's tone changed, it didn't have it's lead character changed, it didn't change it's overall direction, it didn't reboot itself.

Even Michael Bay HIMSELF said that his movies SUCKED a dry azzhole:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/06/michael-bay-on-transformers-2_n_831942.html

...However...according to your birdbrained logic...the "selling of the concept of" is what sold the movie....EVEN when Bay himself said the movie writing was garbage. Transformers 2 had a budget of 200 milli...and grossed 800 milli.

HOW could the movie gross over 800 milli (quadrupling its profits) ...if even the DIRECTOR himself said that the script was horrible?

Could it be that you're just a dead fish in the lake wrong, and that I was RIGHT that the successful history and popularity of the Transformers Industry itself sold the film and NOT the "genius" vision of Michal Bay himself?






You wasted your breath here and you're not making any consistent point with your original claim. EVERYONE knows that the movie writing sucked for the reasons that you stated above. It was watered down from it's original "conception" to reach a broad fan base. LOL if anything you're making my point FOR ME. They did a terrible Job at it (even Bay himself admits to it) yet hardcore fans (of all ages) went to see it anyway BECAUSE of the popularity of the franchise over the past 25 years. The history and successful marketing of the franchise sold the film...NOT Michael bay Even he will tell you that himself.

That was the second film he was talking about, it even says that in your link, yet my point about selling the concept was clearly in relation to the first film, this was abundantly clear when I said "first transformers film" , I even said before that the second film was a product of The Writers Strike. If the first film is successful then of course the concept has been successfully sold.

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A retarded statement if I ever heard one. How about the fact that most people did not see it the first week that it came out? I DIDN'T see it the first week that it came out lol. His Transformers Movies CONSISTENTLY (check the Rotton Tomatos rankings of : 1st Movie 57%, 2nd movie 20%, 3rd movie 36%) have low rankings by any critic worth his grain, but the "special effects" receive praise...(which is why people went to see it in the first place...they certainly DID NOT go for the horrid storyline.

Popular franchises are always front-loaded in their opening weeks and always have higher opening before having high percentage drops in their second week, if the franchise was so popular as you proclaim it to be, then it should have been front-loaded and had a massive opening week before dropping the following week. However this was not the case with the first Transformers film, because in it's second week it had a 20%+ increase and bigger opening than it's first week ,

 

[filial_piety]

Jazzy B

was that supposed to dismiss the facts that I presented, you call that a counter-point .

Yup, it immediately dismissed your claims you mad? LOL. You didn't present a "counter-point"

,Keep pretending that the first film didn't have a $175M budget excluding marketing costs and that it barely broke even. If you actually read what I wrote, you would clearly see that I never once said the second(Retaliation) flopped, I said;

Logic Fail: In your following post you claim that the First Transformers movie successfully created the anticipation and the profitability of the second film correct? So according to you...the 2nd GI Joe movie was a financial success even after the 1st one "flopped?" Or were both movies a flop despite doubling and tripling profits?

You "flop" around more than a dead fish on the side walk with this logic

equate one minor casting change to a whole cast bar one being changed. The second Iron Man film didn't have it's budget decreased, it didn't have it's tone changed, it didn't have it's lead character changed, it didn't change it's overall direction, it didn't reboot itself.

This doesn't make any sense. You're obviously completely lost on this one. The idea is that despite the success of a movie...personnel changes occur all the times for a variety of reasons. It tarnishes your entire rebuttle of the GI Joe franchise.

That was the second film he was talking about, it even says that in your link, yet my point about selling the concept was clearly in relation to the first film, this was abundantly clear when I said "first transformers film" , I even said before that the second film was a product of The Writers Strike. If the first film is successful then of course the concept has been successfully sold.

Correct...I said it was the 2nd film LOL...try reading. It says it right there in the link...but it completely flew over your head.

You continuously spell out this idea that the "selling of the concept of" is what made the movie so successful. However, when you have a director telling you himself that the script was horrible, yet the film still turns an abnormal profit (quadruple the profits) it isn't hard to understand that the popularity prior to the movies is what sells the films, not the lackluster Directing/vision/story line of the film.

Heck even according to your own logic (try following the bouncing ball) ....IF the previous movie sets the standard for the following movie (which is what you suggested between the first and the second)...then WHY did the 3rd movie out gross the 2nd movie despite the 2nd movie having a horrible script as described by Michael Bay?

W'ell wait for your excuse

Popular franchises are always front-loaded in their opening weeks and always have higher opening before having high percentage drops in their second week, if the franchise was so popular as you proclaim it to be, then it should have been front-loaded and had a massive opening week before dropping the following week. However this was not the case with the first Transformers film, because in it's second week it had a 20%+ increase and bigger opening than it's first week

Makes no sense....90s babies logic

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Thank god we didn't get this though.That turtle looks like it's about to die.

 

[YaBishh]

the first transformer movie was piff, i dont understand the logic of it being wack That transformer movie shaped the new wave of special effects. Watching that Cop transformer switch from car to transformer was Its what made me and other want to watch movies in 3d,I think Bay will do a decent job, and if he doesnt, it'll be Avatar status

 

[King Koopa]

So we're still pretending this never happened right?

I remember this! I used to fukk with it when I was younger. Even had a couple of action figures. I had completely forgotten about that show, but man does that shyt look lame now.

I remember seeing clips from this ep a while back...

 

[HipHopStan]

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