so if Jesus is "GOD"

[cleanface coney]

@Everythingg

regardless its still AFRICAN history though

 

[Everythingg]

Like I said, it's not always taken to mean physical offspring. It actually has six individual definitions:


seed, sowing, offspring

1. a sowing
2. seed
3. semen virile
4. offspring, descendants, posterity, children
5. of moral quality
   1. a practitioner of righteousness (fig.)
6. sowing time (by meton)

Pulling Gen. 4:25 as the only example of how it's used is not only incorrect, but disingenuous.

Didnt read the "not always" part the first time. But why should the translation NOT be of descendants? Where was seed used to demonstrate a "practitioner of righteousness" in the OT?

Well, my belief is that God the Father is not the God of this world, but that's another story. Basically, the process of mankind's redemption is to both remove the god of this world (Satan) and give it to Jesus.

Not sure what your belief has to do with my question. Or satan for that matter. So I'll ask again, and maybe you can expound on your answer. How does it make sense that "God" would leave His HEAVENLY throne and come rule FOREVER on a throne made for His creation, David?

Context matters. This is not the Bible talking about itself here.

Its usage of "LYING PEN of the SCRIBES" shows it was referring to the scriptures... So the question is, why would the Most High allow His word to be handled falsely THEN, but not TODAY?

 

[Everythingg]

idk bro i just dont think were all the same

i do believe some of us are hebrews, some but not all

theres history of african muslims and other spiritual beliefs too

So just a hunch? I agree with it though I think that just like the first exodus, they became Hebrews through their attachment to them..Their "african" beliefs is simply prophecy being fulfilled where they began to worship gods their ancestors never knew and gods of wood and stone...

By the way, I thought "Africa" was a white man?

 

[Lamar Givens]

He's a 'Sacred Namer', breh. He believes that Hebrew doesn't use/have the 'J' sound.

Guess he's never spoken to any Sephardic Jews......​

I am not familiar with the sacred namer's, but yes, it appears whatever teaching he has received is off base, and is in contradiction with revealed history. What makes it even worse, he comes across as very esoteric as if he has the hidden mysteries. God doesn't make it difficult for those who want to know him. He reveals himself freely to those who seek him. This whole secret name foolishness he is talking is pure babble, and has no historical basis.

 

[Lamar Givens]

The Sacred Name Movement (SNM) is a movement within the Church of God (Seventh-Day) in Christianity, propagated by Clarence Orvil Dodd from the 1930s, which claims that it seeks to conform Christianity to its "Hebrew Roots" in practice, belief and worship. The best known distinction of the SNM is its advocacy of the use of the "sacred name" Yahweh (יַהְוֶה), i.e. the reconstructed proper name of the God of Israel, and the use of the original Hebrew name of Jesus), often transcribed as Yahshua.[1] SNM believers also generally keep many of the Old Testament laws and ceremonies such as the Seventh-day Sabbath, Torah festivals and kosher food laws.

I have a few acquaintances who are Seventh Day Adventists. I will have to talk to them about this and get more info about this position.

However, I have no idea if this is what this cat @Everythingg is talking about.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

But no, the J sound did not exist around the time of Moses.

False.
​

Except they didnt refuse to worship anything else.

True and what happened to them as a result is ANOTHER reason they refused to worship anything else in the 1st Century CE......~1400 years later.
​

1. Not really. If he wasnt Hebrew, then it doesnt matter what "date" he came up with

Yes, really. Whether or not he was Hebrew has NOTHING to do with recording facts of history.

An African historian recording European history may be biased, but that doesn't mean the FACTS are in-dispute.​

2. No matter your ducking, the point is there is no reason to believe he "legitimately" came up with the date when people were celebrating their pagan holidays on or around that date BEFORE he "legitimately" came up with the date.

That 'criticism' has as much validity as claiming that Christians' day of worship is due to pagan influence simply because all the days of the week were named after pagan gods BEFORE the establishment of the religion.

Only person ducking....is YOU.

​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

This whole secret name foolishness he is talking is pure babble, and has no historical basis.

It's a Conspiracy Theory based on a myth from the 16th Century CE.......

 

[Everythingg]

I am not familiar with the sacred namer's, but yes, it appears whatever teaching he has received is off base, and is in contradiction with revealed history. What makes it even worse, he comes across as very esoteric as if he has the hidden mysteries. God doesn't make it difficult for those who want to know him. He reveals himself freely to those who seek him. This whole secret name foolishness he is talking is pure babble, and has no historical basis.

Matthew 13
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Whats your excuse now? Because this CLEARLY establishes that the truth isnt for EVERYONE. And it might not be for you which is why you STILL havent addressed Deuteronomy 28 fitting blacks or the fact that Iesous and Jesus meaning NOTHING while the Hebrew name meant something. Heres one more for you to show that MOST of yall arent going to get the truth. Even when its told to you plainly as I told you:

Matthew 7
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Wait what? Few will even find the gate to LIFE? Just face it, you have a watered down faith where you pay it great lip service (I assume) but when faced with the tough stuff, you hide. Just like you did when I pointed out Peter said ONE name, while you had three in your hand that were pronounced, spelled and meant DIFFERENT things (with the 2 greek/english not meaning anything at all).. I like to keep these things amicable and peaceful, because we are BOTH to humans trying to find our way thru life. But YOU started demeaning me for seeing differently than you. And Im not ONE you can do that to breh

The Sacred Name Movement (SNM) is a movement within the Church of God (Seventh-Day) in Christianity, propagated by Clarence Orvil Dodd from the 1930s, which claims that it seeks to conform Christianity to its "Hebrew Roots" in practice, belief and worship. The best known distinction of the SNM is its advocacy of the use of the "sacred name" Yahweh (יַהְוֶה), i.e. the reconstructed proper name of the God of Israel, and the use of the original Hebrew name of Jesus), often transcribed as Yahshua.[1] SNM believers also generally keep many of the Old Testament laws and ceremonies such as the Seventh-day Sabbath, Torah festivals and kosher food laws.

I have a few acquaintances who are Seventh Day Adventists. I will have to talk to them about this and get more info about this position.

However, I have no idea if this is what this cat @Everythingg is talking about.

Do these guys believe that the blacks who came on slaveships are Israelites? Nope. So we cant share the same faith. But thats the thing. You cant discuss the topics I brought up so you deflect, name call, pretend you're intellectually superior, or even now, try to put me in a box. But the fat is, that YOU go by the cac's interpretation of black scriptures which is why you're lost and cant keep up. Thats why you use the names they do, and have the beliefs they do. You lost breh...

 

[Everythingg]

False.
​

Nope.

True and what happened to them as a result is ANOTHER reason they refused to worship anything else in the 1st Century CE......~1400 years later.
​

The fact that they did it once, shows they could do it again. And they could have (as in past tense) did it again...

So you cant say "they wouldnt participate in pagan holidays" in regards to christmas when their history says otherwise...

​

Yes, really. Whether or not he was Hebrew has NOTHING to do with recording facts of history.
​

​

You're not talking about recording of history. You're talking about a man who guessed when "Jesus" was born and just so happened to find the date to be the same/similar to the holidays of pagans... Im not buying it...

An African historian recording European history may be biased, but that doesn't mean the FACTS are in-dispute.​

If an African is speaking about Europe from Africa, then YES, it is in dispute. But thats not the situation here. The situation here is YOU saying that a foreigner to Israel decided the date of "Jesus" birth as Dec 25th. Which just so happened to be the same or similar date to which pagans celebrated their holidays. So in your view, why should I accept this date as the date of the birth? And even if we do accept it as the date of the birth, where does the bible say we should celebrate ANY births (yearly) let alone the one of "Jesus"? Where does it say we should exchange gifts on that day? Or decorate trees? It doesnt does it? So where do we get these "traditions"?

That 'criticism' has as much validity as claiming that Christians' day of worship is due to pagan influence simply because all the days of the week were named after pagan gods BEFORE the establishment of the religion.

Only person ducking....is YOU.

​

What?

You doing everything except addressing what I said. Again, the date of December 25 was being celebrated as a PAGAN holiday before that random gentile you pointed out "legitimately" found the birth to be on the same date. So why should I believe a FOREIGNER to Israel on that date of celebration, when the FOREIGNERS were already using that date to celebrate their pagan holidays? How am I supposed to KNOW that he found this date LEGITIMATELY and not just in a manner to get us to join them in their pagan celebrations?

Is another game of duck duck goose coming up?

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

There is no god but God.

 

[Lamar Givens]

Matthew 13
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Whats your excuse now? Because this CLEARLY establishes that the truth isnt for EVERYONE. And it might not be for you which is why you STILL havent addressed Deuteronomy 28 fitting blacks or the fact that Iesous and Jesus meaning NOTHING while the Hebrew name meant something. Heres one more for you to show that MOST of yall arent going to get the truth. Even when its told to you plainly as I told you:

Matthew 7
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Wait what? Few will even find the gate to LIFE? Just face it, you have a watered down faith where you pay it great lip service (I assume) but when faced with the tough stuff, you hide. Just like you did when I pointed out Peter said ONE name, while you had three in your hand that were pronounced, spelled and meant DIFFERENT things (with the 2 greek/english not meaning anything at all).. I like to keep these things amicable and peaceful, because we are BOTH to humans trying to find our way thru life. But YOU started demeaning me for seeing differently than you. And Im not ONE you can do that to breh




Do these guys believe that the blacks who came on slaveships are Israelites? Nope. So we cant share the same faith. But thats the thing. You cant discuss the topics I brought up so you deflect, name call, pretend you're intellectually superior, or even now, try to put me in a box. But the fat is, that YOU go by the cac's interpretation of black scriptures which is why you're lost and cant keep up. Thats why you use the names they do, and have the beliefs they do. You lost breh...

All of this drivel you just posted, and MISINTERPRETATION of the scriptures describes why you are lost, and have no idea what you are talking about.


Quoting scriptures out of context does not strengthen your position.


If any man or woman truly desires to seek God, He will not hide his face from them.

You are the one with the pompous attitude and mindset that you are superior. Furthermore, God is a God of love, and heaven is not reserved for Blacks only. Heaven will be filled with all of God's people that HE CREATED. However, that is a portion of scripture you need to study up on because it is evident you are full of hate.

You are lost.

John 9:41
"Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."


Let that burn slow like ether...

 

[Everythingg]

All of this drivel you just posted, and MISINTERPRETATION of the scriptures describes why you are lost, and have no idea what you are talking about.


Quoting scriptures out of context does not strengthen your position.

Posting smilies doesnt mean anything. You say something about secret and "Jesus" says he spoke in parables to keep the meaning away from the GENERAL PUBLIC. Right after speaking to the GENERAL PUBLIC, his disciples ask him why does he speak in parables and he says "because to them the mysteries of heaven are not given, but to you it is" and all you have is lame excuses and smilies to answer? From the same breh who was complaining about "dialogue" earlier in the thread?

If any man or woman truly desires to seek God, He will not hide his face from them.

Do you seek Him? I mean you STILL cant even answer why Peter said ONE NAME not three to hundreds of them or how the name in Hebrew meant something but the fake names in Hebrew/Greek do not. You're a guy who was taught the white man's interpretation of black scriptures and you run with it. Anyone who opposes that view is wrong to you lol. So again, you lose...

You are the one with the pompous attitude and mindset that you are superior. Furthermore, God is a God of love, and heaven is not reserved for Blacks only. Heaven will be filled with all of God's people that HE CREATED. However, that is a portion of scripture you need to study up on because it is evident you are full of hate.

Lazy assertion. I said that blacks are Israelites. And you havent addressed that. I NEVER said that ONLY blacks go to heaven, or that "God" (cac term for who HE worships) only loves the black man. I simply said they are Israelites. Something, along with alot of other things, you havent addressed...So you write a sentence that doesnt address what I said, post a smilie after it, and you win right? You made your point because you post a smilie to cap off a sentence that doesnt address what I actually said?

You are lost.

John 9:41
"Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."


Let that burn slow like ether...

Talk about "out of context" when that was said to PHARISEES brehs Why is it so hard for you to have a convo on the topics we discussed? Here they are:

-Blacks are Israelites
-Jesus/Iesous do not mean anything while the name in Hebrew meant something. How can they be "transliterations" then when they dont sound the same, are spelled differently and do not share the same meaning that the original name did?
-Peter said one name and then said the name in his language. How do we get THREE from ONE name? And actually more than three since the name has been translated into MANY languages?
-How come you never came back with what the names Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Zechariah share in common?
-How come you share beliefs (in christianity) that the white man does just like you share in what you should call the Father and the Son? The same white man that brought blacks over here on slaveships and decided to call one of their slaveships after the new name they decided to call the son?

But thats the thing. You dont WANT dialogue where we share our different beliefs on a subject. You want a pissing contest. I'll let you have it breh

 

[Lamar Givens]

That is the entire point I am making. You sound like a Pharisee. You are pretending to hold the TRUTH as the Pharisees did, and Jesus rebuked them for it.

You claim that you have this particular knowledge about the Most High, but from your posts you demonstrate, just as the Pharisees, that you are blind.

I have specifically addressed your points one by one, and because you have no FACTUAL ANSWERS you continue to tell me what I think, and what I know.

I have pointed out your contradictions and falsities ONE BY ONE as well as other posters in this thread, but you can continue to believe that the entire world and WHITES are out to get you, and that you posses the hidden/secret name of the Most High.

You are the one who does not want dialogue. You want to tell others they are wrong, and that you posses the truth. You have been contradicted with EVIDENCE.

Your position is heretical, and I as well as others have exposed it.

 

[Black Panther]

Posting smilies doesnt mean anything. You say something about secret and "Jesus" says he spoke in parables to keep the meaning away from the GENERAL PUBLIC. Right after speaking to the GENERAL PUBLIC, his disciples ask him why does he speak in parables and he says "because to them the mysteries of heaven are not given, but to you it is" and all you have is lame excuses and smilies to answer? From the same breh who was complaining about "dialogue" earlier in the thread?

*Tells poster that posting smilies doesn't mean anything, while posting smilies in his response*

Sorry, just had to point that out. :cottonmouthlaugh:

 

[Everythingg]

That is the entire point I am making. You sound like a Pharisee. You are pretending to hold the TRUTH as the Pharisees did, and Jesus rebuked them for it.

You claim that you have this particular knowledge about the Most High, but from your posts you demonstrate, just as the Pharisees, that you are blind.

I have specifically addressed your points one by one, and because you have no FACTUAL ANSWERS you continue to tell me what I think, and what I know.

I have pointed out your contradictions and falsities ONE BY ONE as well as other posters in this thread, but you can continue to believe that the entire world and WHITES are out to get you, and that you posses the hidden/secret name of the Most High.

You are the one who does not want dialogue. You want to tell others they are wrong, and that you posses the truth. You have been contradicted with EVIDENCE.

Your position is heretical, and I as well as others have exposed it.

My position is heretical to the cac church your beliefs come from. I have no problem admitting that. But so are the beliefs of James, John and Peter. So would the beliefs of the one you call "Jesus", as he believed and behaved just like Israelites did before him. But again, thats not the type of dialogue you're capable of discussing, because you rather have a pissing contest. All this talk about "secret name" yet when I ask you what Jeremiah Isaiah and Zechariah have in common I dont see an answer. When I ask you why Jesus and Iesous mean nothing, yet the Hebrew name meant something, I dont see an answer.

A dialogue is where two sides (or more) both lay their position concerning a subject. Then respond to the other side's position while maybe challenging the other side's position. I've been doing that. Another example is you saying something about me being or holding something "secret" something I myself didnt say, and then I post a verse about "Jesus" going out to the GENERAL PUBLIC and speaking in parables and when asked by his disciples WHY he did that, he said because the meaning was not for the GENERAL PUBLIC but for his disciples. I straight up countered your position and you cop out with the lame "out of context" reply with no explanation as to how it is.

I get it breh. You cant hang so you'll hide behind smilies. But it really dont change a thing about your position being false