So how much of a success has NXT been in developing new stars?

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Take away the ROH/Indy guys, and there's:

Enzo & Cass
Wyatts
Luger(:yeshrug:)
Big E
Sasha

I think most of the former NXT champions have massively underachieved tho, except rollins

  • Seth Rollins.
  • Big E Langston.
  • Bo Dallas.
  • Adrian Neville.
  • Sami Zayn.
  • Kevin Owens.
  • Finn Bálor.
  • Samoa Joe (current)
Jury still out on Zayn but it's not looking good booking wise

How has Big E massively underachieved? He's part of the most over tag team in over 10 years and New Day run with the title is the longest since something like 2008
 

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How has Big E massively underachieved? He's part of the most over tag team in over 10 years and New Day run with the title is the longest since something like 2008
I meant as far World Champion status. He's good, but i expect more of world champions.
 

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I meant as far World Champion status. He's good, but i expect more of world champions.

He's only 30, he'll get in the WC mix sometime in the next 3 years
 

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Take away the ROH/Indy guys, and there's:

Enzo & Cass
Wyatts
Luger(:yeshrug:)
Big E
Sasha

I think most of the former NXT champions have massively underachieved tho, except rollins

  • Seth Rollins.
  • Big E Langston.
  • Bo Dallas.
  • Adrian Neville.
  • Sami Zayn.
  • Kevin Owens.
  • Finn Bálor.
  • Samoa Joe (current)
Jury still out on Zayn but it's not looking good booking wise
Sami is getting a lot of screen time but he keeps losing though:laugh: And he starting to get pretty over again
 

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I think your thinking about developmental in the wrong sense. NXT isnt wrestling school. It's developmental. Those belts are meaningless and some dudes are meant to be jobbers it's fine wrestlings fake bro. Those dudes dont care about winning fake matches. It's all a show.

People exclude the ROH dudes, like Seth or Sami and say "ahhhhhhh they were in the indies, so they dont count."

Nah... they dont go to NXT to learn to wrestle. They go to "develop".

"Develop" a character that's marketable and works for television.

"Develop" an entrance, and understanding of working the hard camera/audience etc.

"Develop" a moveset and signature style that fits what the WWE wants.

"Develop" a look, mannerisms and a voice/mic skills in promo class.

All those things count as developing. I remember watching Nia Jax on Breaking Ground and she's with a seamstress picking out colors and fabric's, a logo etc. That's developmental too. Sami Zayn developed from El Generico and he continues to develop on the Main. He had some things that just worked but you can see his changes as well.

Even after you get called up, youre still developing. It may take a year or two to see what anybody can really accomplish. It's like "Stunning" Steve Austin, was Stone Cold in developmental. Or Goldust was "The Natural" Dustin Rhodes in developmental. It's the difference between "Brood" Edge and The "Rated R Superstar" Edge, it takes YEARS to develop. I saw him and Christian get absolutely squashed the other day on The Network. Thank god it was no IWC then. If we judged people like this back in the day, The Rock wouldnt be The Rock. The Hardy's were jobbers for YEAAARRRRSSSS... They wouldnt be the Hardy's etc.

Someone like Tyler Breeze who is a good hand and works hard, can get repackaged and come back with a gimmick that really suits him. Someone like Seth is the perfect example of someone who was able to have his character develop organically over a few years and now he's at the top of the card.

NXT is just a starting track.

Baron Corbin, has all the qualities and attitude of Main Event heel. Let him continue his development on RAW, it's not too soon at all. He's gonna be around for years. This is just the first version of him we're seeing.

Dana Brooke has the look, pedigree and swag of a star, she'll develop more on TV.

My point is, it's really too hard to tell whose gonna do what at this point. These dudes, even Roman are really just starting out.

I don't think a call up, is them saying "oh put this guy on Good Morning America". It's just saying on "okay we're going to throw you in the fire, to learn the road, learn the politics of the back, learn the grind and start your journey on a bigger stage."

Dudes like Bray are gonna be around for years. Vince feels that he's the next Undertaker and he's gonna win the strap eventually. He's only like 28 years old. If you think in the next 10 years this dude isnt main eventing Mania your crazy. Writings on the wall. Just cuz he loses all the time so what "credibility" is some shyt the IWC made up. The Brood got there ass whipped all the time. Nobody even remembers half that shyt when they want to make you.

i didn't read all of that, but well put :ehh:

ultimately they gotta get pops from the audience and push merch, which everyone cant do

you watch NXT and 99% of those fukkers do not have any mic skills
 
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It's almost like their is a few different eras of NXT. It's the FCW era that had The Shield guys. Then you have the era when it was first renamed NXT and aired on Syfy, and you had the pro/ rookie format with people like AJ Lee/Caitlyn and Barrett. Then you have The Network era. I don't think you can compare this current crop of guys to the earlier eras.
 

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Take away the ROH/Indy guys, and there's:

Enzo & Cass
Wyatts
Luger(:yeshrug:)
Big E
Sasha

I think most of the former NXT champions have massively underachieved tho, except rollins

  • Seth Rollins.
  • Big E Langston.
  • Bo Dallas.
  • Adrian Neville.
  • Sami Zayn.
  • Kevin Owens.
  • Finn Bálor.
  • Samoa Joe (current)
Jury still out on Zayn but it's not looking good booking wise
What's wrong with Zayns booking ?
And Owens !? He's the number 1 heel
 

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I like Zayn, he's okay; but there's something about him that I just can't quite put my finger on. And the fact that his pops ain't been that good recently indicate I'm not the only one feeling this way :patrice:
 

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I think your thinking about developmental in the wrong sense. NXT isnt wrestling school. It's developmental. Those belts are meaningless and some dudes are meant to be jobbers it's fine wrestlings fake bro. Those dudes dont care about winning fake matches. It's all a show.

Yea.... I'm just gonna stop you right there....

I definitely dont think thats true from this perspective. Think of that like any other job.... at the end of the day cats in opportunities where they can.... dont just wanna get paid they wanna get rich.

Last I checked aint no Jobbers making $9 Million a year. Hell the average mid carder aint even making a million.

So Jobbers? shyt them niccas at best probably pulling $200k but still have to pay all this transportation, room and board, and food, along with med bills and a bunch of other shyt we probably dont know about that cut dramatically into what they take home.

The Belts and everything else mean something.... I dont think Miz was able to pull Maryse off the strength of some non existent swagger or anything else. Just saying.

We can use the saying "its a show" but its just like any other "show" where minor characters are always dying for the day they can get that bigger spotlight to make bigger career moves.

Parks and Rec was fake..... now think about if fat ass Andy never had aspirations to be a bigger star... this nicca wouldve never been able to become Star Lord and the new lead in Jurassic World. Dudes may try to pretend like the good and content..... but like any other job in the world these niccas in a heartbeat would take that top spot and to do that.... you gotta win matches
 
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I like Zayn, he's okay; but there's something about him that I just can't quite put my finger on. And the fact that his pops ain't been that good recently indicate I'm not the only one feeling this way :patrice:
His gimmick is too Cacish hipster for me. I hate that goofy shyt. He stricty for the gay white crowd
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