So how is Kendrick as a technical rapper (Post examples)?

[The War Report]

Kendrick is a good artist and he's lyrical enough to pass the threshold. There's a lot of super lyrical rappers who can't make a song to save their lives. And who gives a shyt if Lupe prefers IWW over Illmatic. Illmatic>>>>>>any of Lupe's albums.

 

[dubsmith_nz]

Song is so fitting for this thread

 

[Itzdadiabolical]

Having subject matter/content/substance/"a message" in no way makes one "lyrical" at least not by my standards. To me "lyrical" implies an actual skill in using words deftly, creatively, and coherently. The message could be genocide as long as it fits that description.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

Just like with naS, show me some great lyrics... until then (which no one has EVER done for naS) he's K dot Minaj

Didn't know you weren't a Nas fan.
But I think you are looking for complex metaphors more than lyricism

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Didn't know you weren't a Nas fan.
But I think you are looking for complex metaphors more than lyricism

Nope. Lyricism is a proficiency in using literary devices. This includes metaphors, but isnt limited to.
As Ive always maintained, naS is a great storyteller, but everything else, not so much. And illmatic highlights what I mean.

 

[mobbinfms]

He didnt give it too condensed after RD, but up until MCHG he gave you enough to show he still can... Meanwhile I never got that from naS... Gimme any naS song like "Hovi Baby"

Never got what from Nas? Like Hovi Baby how?

 

[Looty]

Having subject matter/content/substance/"a message" in no way makes one "lyrical" at least not by my standards. To me "lyrical" implies an actual skill in using words deftly, creatively, and coherently. The message could be genocide as long as it fits that description.

So in other words, there's no definite definition for it

Considering everyone has there own input on what's lyrical and what's not and ultimately that molds their opinion. Which means before we debate who's better lyrical, we all need to agree on what lyrical means...

We got work to do.

or not

 

[Mac Casper]

People who dismiss his "Control" verse seem to point out that it was nothing amazing from a technical point. And if you he truly the best lyricist, then does this include him being a technical rapper. Or do we great lyricist in 2 Pac sense. Not technical but able to convey emotion through his lyrics. For the Kendrick fans/stans this wasn't created to bash Kendrick. But to show examples of why he is the best since some believe he is. So please post lines, songs that shows that he's up there from a technical standpoint.

nice try with the analysis but you're a dumb dumb

He's not conveying any emotion lyrically the way Tupac would in his writing, he's conveying emotions with odd vocal inflections that it took him years in the industry to be able to accomplish despite that being a focal point of his artistic development

 

[valet]

nice try with the analysis but you're a dumb dumb

He's not conveying any emotion lyrically the way Tupac would in his writing, he's conveying emotions with odd vocal inflections that it took him years in the industry to be able to accomplish despite that being a focal point of his artistic development

What makes me a dumb dumb in my question? Again, I'm asking if he's a technical rapper. I"m not saying he was conveying emotion the way 2 Pac. The point was asking a question because lyricist is defined different ways.

 

[mobbinfms]

Nope. Lyricism is a proficiency in using literary devices. This includes metaphors, but isnt limited to.
As Ive always maintained, naS is a great storyteller, but everything else, not so much. And illmatic highlights what I mean.

Literary devices? This is another example of what I mean when i say you guys make this shyt more complicated then it needs to be.

 

[Itzdadiabolical]

You're exactly right. In hip-hop there isn't a clearly defined meaning for "lyrical" because of a lack of literature on our jargon. However, the connotation of lyricism by most people who listen to hip-hop (at least in my experience) implies that there is some sort of skill and creativity to it, which is essentially why I stick to my own definition because it doesn't take skill to use subject matter in a song. We can at least agree on that.

 

[valet]

Exactly, you can't take two bars from his lyrics and call it a day, saying that's it? You have to listen the entire 16 and how he puts it in context. Like the people saying he subliminally dissed Aaliyah in Blow My High. I disagree with him being a punchline rapper. All of his songs have meaning, message, he can even create that balance a message and a radio track (Swimming Pools)

I don't know what the op means by technical rapper. He'll have to explain that more in depth to me and I'll try to find a track by K-Dot to match it.

technical. As in multis, wordplay. Some people discount his verse on "Control" because it lacks these things. So I'm saying let's post examples, where this is his strength. Or if there are not, then is he a lyricist in other ways (which I believe has been dsiplayed in this thread)

 

[the rhyme king]

technical. As in multis, wordplay. Some people discount his verse on "Control" because it lacks these things. So I'm saying let's post examples, where this is his strength. Or if there are not, then is he a lyricist in other ways (which I believe has been dsiplayed in this thread)

he has multis if there is one thing he has it is multis

 

[the rhyme king]

Tell Flex to drop a bomb on this shyt
So many bombs, ring the alarm like Vietnam on this shyt
So many bombs, make Farrakhan think that Saddam in this bytch
One at a time, I line em up and bomb on they mom while she watching the kids
I'm in a destruction mode if the gold exists
I'm important like the Pope, I'm a Muslim on pork
I'm Makaveli's offspring, I'm the king of New York
King of the Coast, one hand, I juggle them both
The juggernaut's all in your jugular, you take me for jokes
Live in the basement, church pews and funeral faces
Cartier bracelets for my women friends I'm in Vegas
Who the fukk y'all thought it's supposed to be?
If Phil Jackson came back, still no coachin' me
I'm uncoachable, I'm unsociable
fukk y'all clubs, fukk y'all pictures, your Instagram can gobble these nuts
Gobble dikk up til you hiccup, my big homie Kurupt
This the same flow that put the rap game on a crutch (Russ x6)
I've seen nikkas transform like villain Decepticons
Mollies'll prolly turn these nikkas to fukking Lindsay Lohan
A bunch of rich ass white girls looking for parties
Playing with Barbies, wreck the Porsche before you give em the car key
Judgement to the monarchy, blessings to Paul McCartney
You called me a black Beatle, I'm either that or a Marley
(I don't smoke crack motherfukker I sell it)
I'm dressed in all black, this is not for the fan of Elvis
I'm aimin' straight for your pelvis, you can't stomach me
You plan on stumpin' me? bytch I’ve been jumped before you put a gun on me
bytch I put one on yours, I'm Sean Connery
James Bonding with none of you nikkas, climbing 100 mil in front of me
And I'm gonna get it even if you're in the way
And if you're in it, better run for Pete's sake
I heard the barbershops be in great debates all the time
'Bout who's the best emcee - Kendrick, Jigga and Nas?
Eminem, Andre 3000, the rest of y'all
New nikkas just new nikkas, don't get involved
And I ain't rockin no more designer shyt
White Ts and Nike Cortez, this is red Corvettes anonymous
I'm usually homeboys with the same nikkas I'm rhymin' wit
But this is hip-hop and them nikkas should know what time it is
And that goes for Jermaine Cole, Big KRIT, Wale
Pusha T, Meek Millz, A$AP Rocky, Drake
Big Sean, Jay Electron', Tyler, Mac Miller
I got love for you all but I'm tryna murder you nikkas
Tryna make sure your core fans never heard of you nikkas
They dont wanna hear not one more noun or verb from you nikkas
What is competition? I'm tryna raise the bar high
Who tryna jump and get it? You better off tryna skydive
Out the exit window of 5 G5’s with 5 grand
With your granddad as the pilot he drunk as fukk tryna land
With the hand full of arthritis and popping prosthetic leg
Bumpin Pac in the cockpit so the shyt that pops in his head
Is an option of violence, someone heard the stewardess said
That your parachute is a latex condom hooked to a dread

 

[the rhyme king]

@ valet im going to assume u know what a multi rhyme is so check that kendrick lamar verse from control