SO Coach KKK is tellin Blake Griffin he has to beat out Odom and Anthony Davis

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Blake regressed last year tho...

As if the arguments against Blake couldn't get more pathetic.....

Name ANY part of his game that he improved upon. He shot a higher FG % primarily due to the fact that he is now playing with Paul...easy alley oops all day long. I hate criticizing players so hard when they don't even have 2 full regular seasons in, but people are elevating this cat way too early based off ESPN highlight mixes. Dudes are acting like he is an automatic olympic pick and shyt

Let's break his game down:

Lower PPG
Lower RPG
Blocks are still low for someone with his athletic ability
Free throw percentage decreased to 52%

He should stop shooting 3's or anything outside the paint actually.
% from near the rim - 73%
% 3-9 feet out - 44%
% 10-15 feet out 27%
% 16-23 feet out - 37%
% from 3 pointers - 18%

Now I don't want people to think I am not a fan of his. He is a great talent, but that boy needs to work on that shot. I am shocked at the 37% from 16-23...I would have thought that would have been in the 20's as well.

Don't come with the argument that he is supposed to beast down low because he has no real post move to work with. He is not SHAQ, he is relying solely on his athletic ability. (alright I will admit I am trolling a bit, but still lol)

Alright, I think I'mma need to break this down, cause folk wildin' in here.

HE DID NOT SHOOT A HIGHER FG% PRIMARILY DUE TO PLAYING WITH PAUL:

2010/2011 Season -

466 assisted field goals (overall) at 67%
265 assisted field goals (rim) at 68%
111 assisted field goals (3-9ft) at 58%
24 assisted field goals (10-15ft) at 57%
59 assisted field goals (16-3pt) at 83%

2011/2012 Season -

352 assisted field goals (overall) at 62%
255 assisted field goals (rim) at 65%
65 assisted field goals (3-9ft) at 45%
11 assisted field goals (10-15ft) at 52%
75 assisted field goals (16-3pt) at 81%

As you can see he shot a higher percentage on ALL assisted field goals in his rookie season compared to his sophomore season with Paul. A major reason for this is the 2010/2011 PG's (Davis, Williams, Bledsoe + Gordon) would use the momentum of the roll in P&R situations, by dishing it straight away, making it one-fluid motion from x-distributor to Griffin. And if the P&R broke down, they would reset.

His pairing with Paul is that CP3 loves to keep his dribble alive. Paul keeping his dribble alive is not a bad thing by any means, it just makes for a bad combo with Griffin because of Blake’s instincts. When Griffin gets the ball right away, he’s fantastic. But Paul isn’t delivering the ball right away. Instead, like he did with Tyson Chandler, Paul is dribbling more to probe the defense even further. But unlike Tyson Chandler, Griffin is not finding his way to the rim so that Paul can lob it to him once he creates an opening. His instinct is to float out to the perimeter like David West did.

LOWER PPG:

2010/2011 Season - 38 MPG / 8.5-16.8 FGM-A / .50 FG% / 5.4-8.5 FTM-A / .64 FT% / 22.5 PPG

2011/2012 Season - 36.2 MPG / 8.5-15.5 FGM-A / .54 FG% / 3.7-7.1 FTM-A / .52 FT% / 20.7 PPG

He's averaged the same amount of 'field goals made' this season as he did last season - except in LESS minutes.

Now he averaged more minutes last season; the PPG comparison isn't entirely accurate, if we were to equal his minutes for each season you would find his Per 48 - 28.5 PPG in his rookie season and 27.5 PPG in his sophomore season - 1 less point per game. Now if we went further and took his free throw percentage from 2010/2011 and used it for his 2011/2012 season he would be 6.1 from 9.4 FTM-A at 64% (per 48). Differential being 1.2, added onto 27.5 = 28.7 PPG.

Per 48 minutes - 2010/2011 Season = 28.5 PPG. 2011/2012 season = 28.7 PPG. The only regression in his scoring game is his free throw percentage.

LOWER RPG:

2010/2011 Season - 38 MPG / 3.3 ORPG / 12.1 RPG - Per 48 = 15.3 RPG

2010/2011 Season - 36.2 MPG / 3.3 ORPG / 10.9 RPG - Per 48 = 14.4 RPG

Equal minutes and Griffin averaged 0.9 less total rebounds compared to his rookie season, however if you take into account DeAndre Jordan's increase in MPG (25.6 to 27.2) which increased his RPG (7.2 to 8.3) from the last two seasons = the 1.6 minutes and 1.1 rebounds more from Jordan in the 2011/2012 season, that Griffin didn't have hindering/influencing his own rebounding numbers in his rookie season.

BLOCKS ARE STILL LOW FOR SOMEONE WITH HIS ATHLETIC ABILITY:

He'll never be able to completely maximise his athletic ability for blocking, when he's LAST in standing reaches and second to last in wingspan for starting PF's + the lack of defensive instincts; however he has IMPROVED his blocking-ability + overall defense this season.

FREE THROW PERCENTAGE DECREASED:

As stated above, this is really the only part of his game that has regressed.

My point being - the generality of 'Blake Griffin's game has regressed' is not an adequate-bearing of how he played in 2011/2012 in comparison to 2010/2011; it's MORE that he hasn't improved and LESS that he has regressed. His game is at a plateau. Within his FIRST two seasons, he went from - Center-of-offense → 1b playing with a ball-dominant PG = stunted growth.

Compared to Odom, who went from Sixth Man of the Year to not being mentioned at all, within TWO SEASONS; going from the triangle to a new system in Dallas, off-court distractions, used differently, etc etc - all contributed to an ACTUAL regressed game.

Now can you see why your singling out of Blake's regression over Odom's is pathetic.

 

[dre]

Odom had a fukked up year but the couple years before that he was valuable and the perfect big man for international competition. Might want to reinvigorate him and give him something to strive for also. He had a lot of fukked up shyt happen to him this year and he's a decent enough guy to deserve a little leeway.

Davis did what Blake couldn't do, led his team to a title freshman year and within 2 years might be better than him. Can't deny him.

What's more important is while those are feasible cases the primary reason for this is Coach K is trying to see what Blake has in him. They want to start a transition from being a solid all-star to a true superstar starting with this summer.

He can compete for a spot with the best of the world (because you have done nothing to automatically deserve it over 2 champions in the past 3 years) and keep that mindset coming into the NBA season and beyond. A lot of stuff has been given to him because he can jump high, but he's not nearly as good as he's supposed to be by now. I mean who has Chris Paul for a year and doesn't get any better in the pick and roll...anyways...

in short, fukk your stats and calm down

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Your dumbass didn't read one bit of my post +

A lot of stuff has been given to him because he can jump high, but he's not nearly as good as he's supposed to be by now.

This is just a blatant lie.

 

[dre]

I read your post.

How can you rant on and on about him plateauing then disagree that he's not as good as he's supposed to be sir

And I already discussed Blake Griffin in the Davis thread:

Depends on what you value. Griffin is athletic and has a semblance of a low post game, but he's not good in the pick and roll yet (with Chris Paul as his PG of all people), can't pass out of double teams and subsequently makes too many careless mistakes. There were times this year where the Clippers had to play halfcourt, run a play basketball and he was just a non factor because he doesn't understand spacing and where to be at any given time. His stats might make it seem like he's as dominant as another player with the same numbers, but honestly he's getting there offensively.

Defensively he just doesn't get it yet. He's a good man defender but within the context of a team defense he consistently doesn't pay enough attention to his weak side, and isn't a skilled enough shot blocker to recover..and he hasn't learned how to alter shots with positioning and not fouling, so he's a borderline liability.

The key to the Clippers being great is a big man who allows the wings and Paul the confidence to gamble a bit and start the break (because they know the traffic funnels to him), that's why Tim Duncan and Garnett are still so valuable at their ages, they're true anchors and catalysts for the fast break.

And before you say I'm hating I'm picking his game apart because at one point in time he was regarded as a future franchise player and maybe still is...well those players are supposed to have as few flaws as possible. There were nights that if Chris Paul was having a bad game they just didn't put up a fight...that can't happen.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I read your post.

How can you rant on and on about him plateauing then disagree that he's not as good as he's supposed to be sir

And I already discussed Blake Griffin in the Davis thread:

Well, your reading comprehension LOST.

#1 - You talked about how Odom had a fukked up year from distractions - I already covered/said that in my post.

#2 - Not once did I argue that Coach K shouldn't explore all avenues.

#3 - You said, "I mean who has Chris Paul for a year and doesn't get any better in the pick and roll" - if you read my post you would see why.

This is what happens, when folk rush up and put forth their opinions, when they weren't in the conversation to begin with, you completely FAILED to see my point and what I was arguing.

He's not as good as he's suppose to be? What does that even mean? Folk were expecting MORE than 20/10 in his first two seasons? Folk were expecting him to significantly improve from last season?

So you're telling me Griffin's expectations were he was suppose to be close to the best player in the league in his second season

 

[dre]

Well, your reading comprehension LOST.

#1 - You talked about how Odom had a fukked up year from distractions - I already covered/said that in my post.

#2 - Not once did I argue that Coach K shouldn't explore all avenues.

#3 - You said, "I mean who has Chris Paul for a year and doesn't get any better in the pick and roll" - if you read my post you would see why.

This is what happens, when folk rush up and put forth their opinions, when they weren't in the conversation to begin with, you completely FAILED to see my point and what I was arguing.

He's not as good as he's suppose to be? What does that even mean? Folk were expecting MORE than 20/10 in his first two seasons? Folk were expecting him to significantly improve from last season?

So you're telling me Griffin's expectations were he was suppose to be close to the best player in the league in his second season

First of all my post wasn't related to specifically your post. I read it like I read every other post and then gave my opinion. Yours being the last doesn't mean the last person is replying specifically to you or has to be held to your standard..why have the audacity to assume it does, you're not the thread starter, you're just the last poster. Anyways:

There's no statistical excuse for Griffin not being good at the pick and roll yet, or understanding the nuances. He looked lost and sloppy too many times last year if he didn't have an easy resolution (open shot or open lane to the basket) to the P&R. He's just not that good with the ball in close quarters yet, and that's obviously a very important aspect of being the big man in a P&R. Not the best spotup/pullup shooter either.

He just needs to work on it that's all. I'll cut him slack that this season was so hectic you didn't have a lot of time to try new things and practice but next year he'll have to show more control on his drives to the basket. We can agree to disagree because your stats won't move me on that.

And yeah, Griffin was looked at and hyped as a potential franchise player. I heard the name Duncan more than once two years ago, so he's not cutting it yet when he's not even a defensive anchor or versatile offensive player. Give me a break, what franchise big in the past 25 years wasn't either by the end of his second year (and 3rd around NBA coaching).

The guy is getting along on his strengths and not really showing much that anyone would have to work on. I don't really care what anyone has to say about this because it's the truth, and you know it yourself trying to save face for his shortcomings at the end of your post by implying my standards are too high. We can agree to disagree but I don't really have much more to say

 

[Tony D'Amato]

This gil scott n1gga is killin u simps

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

First of all my post wasn't related to specifically your post. I read it like I read every other post and then gave my opinion. Yours being the last doesn't mean the last person is replying specifically to you or has to be held to your standard..why have the audacity to assume it does, you're not the thread starter, you're just the last poster.

After my post with extended stats, you posted and ended your statement(s) with "in short, fukk your stats and calm down" + saying how he didn't improve in P&R situations when I was the one who explained their situation in my post - how am I not suppose to ASSUME you're talking to me?

You not making any sense.

There's no statistical excuse for Griffin not being good at the pick and roll yet, or understanding the nuances. He looked lost and sloppy too many times last year if he didn't have an easy resolution (open shot or open lane to the basket) to the P&R. He's just not that good with the ball in close quarters yet, and that's obviously a very important aspect of being the big man in a P&R. Not the best spotup/pullup shooter either.

Again go and read why the P&R situations between him and Paul weren't a smooth process - their games simply don't fit at this point in time.

He just needs to work on it that's all. I'll cut him slack that this season was so hectic you didn't have a lot of time to try new things and practice but next year he'll have to show more control on his drives to the basket. We can agree to disagree because your stats won't move me on that.

Everyone knows he has to improve his game, ain't nothing new that you're saying. The stats don't move your opinion because you only want to believe your predisposed take on it, you're too stubborn to believe in the actual reality of the situation.

And yeah, Griffin was looked at and hyped as a potential franchise player. I heard the name Duncan more than once two years ago, so he's not cutting it yet when he's not even a defensive anchor or versatile offensive player. Give me a break, what franchise big in the past 25 years wasn't either by the end of his second year (and 3rd around NBA coaching).

The guy is getting along on his strengths and not really showing much that anyone would have to work on. I don't really care what anyone has to say about this because it's the truth, and you know it yourself trying to save face for his shortcomings at the end of your post by implying my standards are too high. We can agree to disagree but I don't really have much more to say

See this is where you're fukking up, you said 'he's not nearly as good as he's supposed to be by now' - as if it was the majority consensus. Then bringing Duncan into the equation when Griffin's college game wasn't similar to Duncan's game, at all. Nobody expected him to be a defensive anchor, especially in his second season.

I'm not tryna save face for anything, I'm right, you're wrong.

Make up your mind - in one breath you're saying the majority-consensus was he's suppose to be better than he is now, and in the next you're saying that it's just your standards. Which one is it?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Blake Griffin averaging 20/10 over his first two seasons - 'oh he's still not as good he's suppose to be, by now' = revisionist history at its finest.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

this nikka gil scott just ethered the game

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Compared to Odom, who went from Sixth Man of the Year to not being mentioned at all, within TWO SEASONS; going from the triangle to a new system in Dallas, off-court distractions, used differently, etc etc - all contributed to an ACTUAL regressed game.

Now can you see why your singling out of Blake's regression over Odom's is pathetic.

To the point now - where Odom pulled out of the trials to regain and work on his game.