So............Chris Paul, Dwight Howard & Rose are better than Kobe Bryant now?

[GreatestLaker]

What are you talking about? There were only 2 games we were up in the 4th and lost, Game 2 and Game 4. We won game 4 and lost game 2. Game 1 and game 5 were blowouts. And we won Game 3. So what are you talking about?

Yeah, you right. Forgot game 1 was a blowout, but still he choked 2 games away. We should have been up 3-1 heading to OKC with 3 games to play with.

 

[YBE]

I'm sure they thought Iverson was a top 3 player back then. Just forget that Iverson sucked on D, was a ball hog and barely could shoot above 40%.

He wasn't

You know damn well you wasn't saying that sh*t in any type of black neighborhood or establishment in 2001

internet anonymity is a b*tch sometimes.

 

[GreatestLaker]

He wasn't

You know damn well you wasn't saying that sh*t in any type of black neighborhood or establishment in 2001

internet anonymity is a b*tch sometimes.

I was. Iverson was always overrated. Had fools that used to say he was better than kobe, Duncan, KG, Shaq etc.

 

[YBE]

I was. Iverson was always overrated. Had fools that used to say he was better than kobe, Duncan, KG, Shaq etc.

no you wasn't nikka

You was running around in 2001 telling people the MVP of the league was a scrub? gotta be a white boy because we would've took your ball & kicked you off the court.

 

[GreatestLaker]

no you wasn't nikka

You was running around in 2001 telling people the MVP of the league was a scrub? gotta be a white boy because we would've took your ball & kicked you off the court.

Same way I tell nikkas Rose is overrated now, I told them back then that Iverson was overrated too.

People like you get too emotional over basketball. Someone is better than you favorite player. So what? Man up. Deal with it.

 

[YBE]

smh at you boxscore whores not watching games, seeing Kobe's point totals, and using that as your reasoning, saying his "numbers" are better...

basketball is about more than just how many points you score




Was Danny Granger the 5th best player in the league in '09 when he finished 5th in scoring? Was Monta Ellis the 6th best player in the league in '10 when he finished 6th in scoring?

No fukkin way. Why not? Because they had little to offer aside from scoring, and even at that, they didn't score too effectively, right? Except their FG% those respective years were both higher than that bullshyt FG% Kobe put up this year. Those guys also didn't have the luxury of having two skilled 7 footers, they were basically the focal point of their team's offense. So why exactly am I supposed to take those 2 guys putting up big scoring numbers with a grain of salt, but Kobe does so at a less effective clip and that's justification for him being a top 5 player?


Tim Duncan has only averaged 25+ points a game one fukkin time in his career and he's unanimously regarded as the best PF ever, you simpletons need to realize there's more to basketball than just how many points someone scores

So........scoring isn't the end all-be all to valuing players but, efficiency (FG%) is? nice way to support your agenda buddy


FG% is completely biased to slashers, seeing as it doesn't take into account the differences in difficulty in shots. You associating efficiency with being better when having a higher clip usually means you play closer to the basket. Point being, every poster in this thread can score 10 layups........10 jumpshots? Idiots like you just read a nikka's statline & think , he's a more efficient shooter/scorer without contextually understanding the differences in which players get their production. my point is magnified everytime Lebron looks like he's seen Satan himself when its 3 seconds left, the lane is completely closed/clogged & he has to shoot. How efficient is that 53% at that point?

Let's go a bit further.....


LeBron has a career fg% of 48.4.

Larry Bird's is 49.6%. Reggie Miller's is 47.1%. Kobe's is 45.3%. Ray Allen's is 45.2%. Going by this 'efficiency logic', LeBron is one of the best sharp shooters in NBA history

 

[Cliche]

Kobe takes way too many bad shots. That's been the case his whole career, the difference now is that he's no longer a dominant athlete, so he can't separate consistently the way he could even a few years ago. And even then it's not like the guy was money in the bank. He just took more shots than everybody.

It's interesting to watch because he clearly *knows* he's not the same player he once was, but he's just hard-wired to believe that he HAS to take X number of shots.

 

[YBE]

So which 5 players are better than Kobe now?

28ppg (430%), (303%), (845%), 5rb, 5ast, 0.3bl, 1stl, 3.5to (Kobe)

23ppg (457%), (316%), (823%), 5rb, 6ast, 0.3bl, 2stl, 3.6to (Westbrook)

28ppg (496%), (387%), (860%), 8rb, 3ast, 1.2bl, 1stl, 3.8to (Durant)

27ppg (531%), (362%), (771%), 8rb, 6ast, 0.8bl, 2stl, 3.4to (LeBron)

22ppg (497%), (268%), (791%), 5rb, 5ast, 1.3bl, 2stl, 2.6to (Wade)

22ppg (435%), (312%), (812%), 3rb, 8ast, 0.7bl, 1stl, 3.1to (Rose)

20ppg (478%), (371%), (861%), 4rb, 9ast, 0.1bl, 3stl, 2.1to (Paul)

21ppg (407%), (336%), (843%), 3rb, 9ast, 0.4bl, 1stl, 4to (D. Will)

21ppg (573%), (000%), (491%), 15rb, 2ast, 2.1bl, 2stl, 3.2to (Dwight)

15ppg (492%), (000%), (695%), 9rb, 2ast, 1.5bl, 0.7stl, 1.7to (Duncan)

22ppg (457%), (368%), (896%), 7rb, 2ast, 0.5bl, 0.7stl, 1.9to (Dirk)

16ppg (503%), (333%), (857%), 8rb, 3ast, 1bl, 1stl, 1.8to (Garnett)

23ppg (430%), (335%), (804%), 6rb, 4ast, 0.4bl, 1stl, 2.6to (Melo)

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

So........scoring isn't the end all-be all to valuing players but, efficiency (FG%) is? nice way to support your agenda buddy


FG% is completely biased to slashers, seeing as it doesn't take into account the differences in difficulty in shots. You associating efficiency with being better when having a higher clip usually means you play closer to the basket. Point being, every poster in this thread can score 10 layups........10 jumpshots? Idiots like you just read a nikka's statline & think , he's a more efficient shooter/scorer without contextually understanding the differences in which players get their production. my point is magnified everytime Lebron looks like he's seen Satan himself when its 3 seconds left, the lane is completely closed/clogged & he has to shoot. How efficient is that 53% at that point?

Let's go a bit further.....


LeBron has a career fg% of 48.4.

Larry Bird's is 49.6%. Reggie Miller's is 47.1%. Kobe's is 45.3%. Ray Allen's is 45.2%. Going by this 'efficiency logic', LeBron is one of the best sharp shooters in NBA history

what a fukkin terrible post



you realize being able to get to the rim is a valued skill in the NBA because it's a higher percentage shot than a contested jump shot, right? Kobe routinely shoots more "bad shots" than anyone in the league because he has terrible shot selection, which is accurately reflected in his fg%


or do you think Kobe shoots fadeaway 18 foot jumpers out of the kindness of his heart? because he's a nice guy and wants to voluntarily shoot lower percentage shots so the other team has a chance to win? no, he can't get to the rim like he used to, so he's been relegated to shooting jumpers on the perimeter... LOL at you acting like Kobe is some fukkin Dale Ellis-like sharp shooter, dude didn't always play this way, he just lost a step so he can't get to the hole like he used to and it's harder for him to create separation on the perimeter



and when you're looking at 3 point specialists, it makes more sense to evaluate them by eFG%, it's a much more accurate representation of their shooting ability... but to your dumb ass straw man argument, when did anyone ever say that Lebron is a better long distance shooter than Reggie Miller or Ray Allen, stop making shyt up

 

[GreatestLaker]

So........scoring isn't the end all-be all to valuing players but, efficiency (FG%) is? nice way to support your agenda buddy


FG% is completely biased to slashers, seeing as it doesn't take into account the differences in difficulty in shots. You associating efficiency with being better when having a higher clip usually means you play closer to the basket. Point being, every poster in this thread can score 10 layups........10 jumpshots? Idiots like you just read a nikka's statline & think , he's a more efficient shooter/scorer without contextually understanding the differences in which players get their production. my point is magnified everytime Lebron looks like he's seen Satan himself when its 3 seconds left, the lane is completely closed/clogged & he has to shoot. How efficient is that 53% at that point?

Let's go a bit further.....


LeBron has a career fg% of 48.4.

Larry Bird's is 49.6%. Reggie Miller's is 47.1%. Kobe's is 45.3%. Ray Allen's is 45.2%. Going by this 'efficiency logic', LeBron is one of the best sharp shooters in NBA history

 

[GreatestLaker]

what a fukkin terrible post



you realize being able to get to the rim is a valued skill in the NBA because it's a higher percentage shot than a contested jump shot, right? Kobe routinely shoots more "bad shots" than anyone in the league because he has terrible shot selection, which is accurately reflected in his fg%


or do you think Kobe shoots fadeaway 18 foot jumpers out of the kindness of his heart? because he's a nice guy and wants to voluntarily shoot lower percentage shots so the other team has a chance to win? no, he can't get to the rim like he used to, so he's been relegated to shooting jumpers on the perimeter... LOL at you acting like Kobe is some fukkin Dale Ellis-like sharp shooter, dude didn't always play this way, he just lost a step so he can't get to the hole like he used to and it's harder for him to create separation on the perimeter



and when you're looking at 3 point specialists, it makes more sense to evaluate them by eFG%, it's a much more accurate representation of their shooting ability... but to your dumb ass straw man argument, when did anyone ever say that Lebron is a better long distance shooter than Reggie Miller or Ray Allen, stop making shyt up

That post wasn't even worth a response.

 

[YBE]

what a fukkin terrible post



you realize being able to get to the rim is a valued skill in the NBA because it's a higher percentage shot than a contested jump shot, right? Kobe routinely shoots more "bad shots" than anyone in the league because he has terrible shot selection, which is accurately reflected in his fg%


or do you think Kobe shoots fadeaway 18 foot jumpers out of the kindness of his heart? because he's a nice guy and wants to voluntarily shoot lower percentage shots so the other team has a chance to win? no, he can't get to the rim like he used to, so he's been relegated to shooting jumpers on the perimeter... LOL at you acting like Kobe is some fukkin Dale Ellis-like sharp shooter, dude didn't always play this way, he just lost a step so he can't get to the hole like he used to and it's harder for him to create separation on the perimeter


and when you're looking at 3 point specialists, it makes more sense to evaluate them by eFG%, it's a much more accurate representation of their shooting ability... but to your dumb ass straw man argument, when did anyone ever say that Lebron is a better long distance shooter than Reggie Miller or Ray Allen, stop making shyt up

you got nothing out that huh?

one........... Kobe's ALWAYS been a shooter. ALWAYS.

two...........Kobe & Ray have the same career fg. But Kobe takes bad shots & Ray is a sharp shooter

three.............the point you failed to understand; judging players solely off fg% is fukking retarded. it doesn't take into consideration that one player bullies his way inside & the other gets his from the perimeter. Going by YOUR logic, LeBron James (48.4%) is a better/efficient shooter than Ray Allen (45.2%), Kobe Bryant (45.3%) & Reggie Miller (47.1%) if that sounds completely foolish to you, that's the point nikka

 

[William Bassington]

Kobe's stats are not top 5.

His efficiency is too low.

Going by stats. The top 5 players are:

1. LeBron James
2. Chris Paul
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Kevin Durant
5. Kevin Love

I completely forgot about Kevin Love. Easily the best PF in the NBA.

 

[William Bassington]

Durant and Lebron were used as examples. Kobe isn't better than Wade. He isn't. Tell me what makes Kobe better than Wade?

He isn't more efficient, isn't a better defender. What makes him better?

 

[William Bassington]

I never shyt on kobe I'm a fan of duke always have been

But dude has taken a step back

Sorry rose and d12 have surpassed him

Not cp3 tho