So basically this war is officially lost. Taliban and U.S. Agree to Peace Talks

[Patrick Kane]

Lucy Morgan Edwards - The Afghan Solution: the inside Story of Abdul Haq, the CIA and how Western Hubris Lost Afghanistan

be careful tho, this book will have absolutely disgusted at the uselessness of this war

defence contractors, afghan warlords and opium dealers benefited from this war thats it

I'm throwing up already just reading this post

I'm definitely gonna check it out though

 

[theworldismine13]

there only 1 self sufficient brigade in the entire army and it has a 20% attrition rate, the officer corp are thoroughly politicized, the army will split in 4 if there is no agreement with the Taliban

As for Iraq, Maliki is the new dictator, and the army is one big Shia Militia, have you been following developments there or are you just spouting nonsense just to read your own posts?

keep dancing

there is a difference between problems and a crisis, the afghan army has problems but there isnt any crisis, overall the army has been doing what its suppose to do, they have been handling most of the attacks for the past few months

i compare it to iraq in terms of level of training and competency in other words they suk but they get a D which is a passing grade

and i compare the level of democracy in iraq to the level of democracy that we will see in afghanistan, in other words not much but enough to keep it from imploding

 

[Type Username Here]

Eh, you recommended the book Ghost Wars on here way back in like September or so. I read it and it was a brilliant read. Any other good military books on like CIA and covert operations you'd recommend?

shyt, there is a lot.

"Killing Pablo" is up there. It's about US covert operations (and Colombian government) to track down Pablo Escobar. It goes into detail about Pablo's life and rise, as well as Colombia at the time. Really dope.

"No True Glory" is about the 2nd Battle of Fallujah. Goes really into depth.

The absolute GOAT covert operations book is "Bravo Two Zero". It's about a British SAS small unit (7-8 people) that is sent into Iraq during the first Gulf War to provide intelligence on Scud sites and compromise the Scuds if possible. It goes downhill. The entire mission was kept secret for a long time. Really dope book.

 

[thatrapsfan]

Btw Taliban ambushed and killed American troops yesterday on the same day Americans dropped all preconditions to talk. Certainly doesnt sound like a movement trying to back down and make amends.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Twism sounding like dikk Cheney on some "the insurgency is in its last throes" shyt in this thread.

 

[Nascimento]

People still confused about this shyt, mistakenly assuming that the decision for going to war was taken with the best interest of the US at heart.

The US certainly did not achieve any geopolitical goals, quite the contrary. No, the wars were resource grabs. Not Americans grabbing Iraqi or Afghan resources, but the military and private defense contractors grabbing taxpayer dollars. Look at the amount of money spent on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and where it ended up. Look at the manner US is pulling out of both countries -- no fukks are given about the actual outcome. The military-industrial complex made a successful raid into US coffers.

OBL told how it would go down

All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private corporations

CNN.com - Bin Laden: Goal is to bankrupt U.S. - Nov 1, 2004

 

[theworldismine13]

Khaled Hosseini: Afghanistan gains must not be lost

 

[theworldismine13]

Twism sounding like dikk Cheney on some "the insurgency is in its last throes" shyt in this thread.

nice try but that isnt what im saying, im saying the government will be able to survive, which is the only thing that is really important, and obama made the right decision to send in the surge to bolster the government

even reading the stories today you can see the government flexing itself which is good, i think afghanistan will be fine over the long run

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

People still confused about this shyt, mistakenly assuming that the decision for going to war was taken with the best interest of the US at heart.

The US certainly did not achieve any geopolitical goals, quite the contrary. No, the wars were resource grabs. Not Americans grabbing Iraqi or Afghan resources, but the military and private defense contractors grabbing taxpayer dollars. Look at the amount of money spent on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and where it ended up. Look at the manner US is pulling out of both countries -- no fukks are given about the actual outcome. The military-industrial complex made a successful raid into US coffers.

OBL told how it would go down



CNN.com - Bin Laden: Goal is to bankrupt U.S. - Nov 1, 2004

Eh... you're right in a sense. The MIC is the lifeblood that greases the wheels of this machine, but it's primarily born out of a hubris-driven antiquated Cold War hyper-aggressive policy of imposing U.S. will on the world through force.

There's many forces with agendas at play, but to say it's simply predicated upon making businessmen rich is a bit conspiratorial and short-sighted.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The name "al-qaeda" is a creation used to prosecute Bin laden BEFORE 9/11 because in order to use the RICO and other antiterrorism laws at the time, they needed the name of an organization to go after.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Every documentary i've seen shows the ANA and the ANP looking HELLA underprepped.

Those dudes are going to get washed out in less than 12 months after ISAF leaves.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

THE PIPELINES GOT BUILT, BROTHER! RING THE BELL, DUDE!

 

[Techniec]

A collective from every Afghan because we all understand all too clearly what happened

This war was kept extended for over a decade just for certain individuals to make a killing off it

There was no logic to this from an Afghan or American national interest perspective

Kept the Taliban out for 12 yrs, hunting the down just to sit Down with them.

Laughable if not disgusting

 

[Techniec]

Steve Bell on the Afghanistan peace talks

 

[Type Username Here]

A collective from every Afghan because we all understand all too clearly what happened

This war was kept extended for over a decade just for certain individuals to make a killing off it

There was no logic to this from an Afghan or American national interest perspective

Kept the Taliban out for 12 yrs, hunting the down just to sit Down with them.

Laughable if not disgusting

If you remove the morality and ethical issues out of it, it's damn near genius.

War could have been "won" in about 6 months to a year and then, suddenly, the US starts to essentially hand over key terrain one piece at a time, while indirectly funding enemy supply lines.