So Barak Obama signed the "Blue Alert" law to protect police

Booker T Garvey

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I literally just said that you dudes are using mental gymnastics and will say ANYTHING to continue to worship Obama and then:
THIS IS WHEN THERE WAS A SUPERMAJORITY RULE.

A simple majority wouldn't have passed those policies, dolt. On top of that, it wasn't a clear majority since key senators and representatives were absent. I literally just showed you this.

I guess this didn't happen either:



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They held the majority fam. This can’t be disputed
 

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Dude is a politician and at the end of the day has to be bought like all politicians.

In yesterdays state of the black address on TVone this was hinted to but the shyt went over all the panel member heads.

We have to do just like every other group that has power and buy these politicians. Cause voting for them doesn't work by itself cause they will still sell us out.
 

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The only criticism I've ever made of Barack Obama's time as President was that he didn't fully exploit the first 2 years of his presidency when he enjoyed majorities in both the House and Senate.

Economic and political elites were at their weakest at that point due to the recession - banks were reeling from books stuffed with bad debt, most major corporations were laying off tens of thousands of people, investors had seen the value of their portfolios cut by more than 50%, foreclosures were at an all-time high...the panic, fear, and chaos across the country as a result of the financial crisis was a genuine opportunity for Obama to make some serious headway in closing the economic gap not only between blacks and whites, but also working/middle-class people in general and the wealthy.

Looking back at it now, its all more than a bit ironic - until April/May of 2008, I don't think Obama expected to win the Democratic Party nomination...much like Trump never expected to win the Republican nomination (nor ultimately, the Presidency) in 2016. Obama was preparing himself to be the first black Vice President to the first female president, and the thinking among most political elites at the time was that him spending 8 years in that role would "acclimate" the electorate to the idea of a black President in 2016. This wasn't just the thinking of white Democratic Party elites - black political elites (the Donna Braziles of the world) believed the same - and Obama was fully on board with their plan. He was content with "waiting his turn" - he could see that there weren't any other black men on the Democratic Party's bench at that time that could credibly challenge him in 2016, and he was skeptical that with his name and background that he'd be able to generate enthusiastic black turnout in key swing states without several years of proving his "blackness."

But when Obama started crushing primary after primary in early 2008...it threw the master plan into total disarray. Political elites literally couldn't believe what was happening. Neither could Obama. I actually think he was panicked - if he won the Democratic Party nomination, he would be up against a (now disgraced, but back then still unassailable) white war hero in John McCain, and he didn't want his reputation tarnished with a loss in a general election that the Democrats were expected to win by a landslide because of Bush's failed war in Iraq. The financial crisis only added to his panic - by his own admission, Obama was never particularly well-versed in macroeconomic matters, and wanted the focus of his first administration to be on reshaping foreign policy. Exiting Iraq and Afghanistan were his top priorities - he felt that as long as he could achieve those two things, he'd be guaranteed a second term where he'd be able to make some headway on the domestic front - especially on issues that directly affect black folks (persistent racial inequality in incomes, school achievement, imprisonment, etc.).

Obama handled his unexpected win with a whole lot more grace, class, and skill than Trump has - but the fact that it was so unexpected still led to (in my opinion) Obama's failure to genuinely exploit the fallout from the financial crisis.

Things were moving so quickly, and were so far out of his comfort zone, that he essentially imported the entire Clinton economic policy team and let them run the show. For them, the top priority was stabilizing the financial system (banks and the wealthy have always been loyal fundraisers for the Clintons) - and they would do whatever it took to achieve that. Populist/progressive economic policy took a backseat - and Obama wasn't confident enough in this area to push for the sorts of concessions he could have easily won because of elite desperation at the time (steeply progressive tax rates, uncapping FICA taxes, elimination of income tax below $40k, increase in the capital gains tax, a financial transactions tax, Medicare for All, tariffs on imports from low-wage / environmentally destructive countries, basic infrastructure investment, etc.).

Other than that failure, which I think was mostly due to him not expecting to win the Presidency, I think Obama was a pretty damn good President. :salute:

I disagree with Obama very strongly on immigration policy, but God doesn't give with both hands. :manny:

He isn't Malcolm X and never claimed to be - so accusing him of not having done enough for black people doesn't really hold much water with me. And anyways - what American President do you know of that ever got involved when a black professor was racially profiled and arrested for trying to get into his own damn house (or have you forgotten what he did for Henry Louis Gates Jr.?)

He got us out of Iraq and kept us out of Syria for the most part (thank God). The Medicaid expansion that he pushed for (most important part of Obamacare IMHO) has made health care available for literally millions of working class black people that didn't have any access before. His administration was free of scandal, and he served as an incredible role model for black kids.

The last part is so important. :wow:

I remember growing up not seeing a single black face in the line of Presidents in my history books. To me, the idea of a black President was a childish fantasy. :mjcry:

Right now, across the country, the fact that a black man was President - and nothing bad happened - is being imprinted into the consciousness of tens of millions of kids of every race. The next black President will be the one to help move things forward for all black people - and he won't have any of the fear or self-doubt that Obama must have experienced as the first black man running for President with a real shot at winning. :wow:

Great points on everything dap + rep.

However I do disagree about the next black president. History has shown that often times black folks get that one shot (black governor or mayor) and that shot never happens again. Or the first black elected candidate comes in and helps black folks and following black elected officials do less and less and less.

Black folks missed the boat on Obama IMO. They should have kept the heat on him.....but this is an issue we have with all these politrickians. We vote them in they clap our hands thinking the job is done. Nope we need to keep our foot on their necks to make sure they give us what we need.....or threaten to remove votes and donation dollars for the next election.
 

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Not all policemen are bad. I am for the police but of course on the other hand police that are not ethical should be rooted out. The fact you don't have to walk around with a pistol or worried someone may break in your shyt while you're gone that's thanks mostly for the police.
i hate all police. They all cover each other like Vatican priests. It is way different from the military.

In the military, you cover someone's ass for showing up to formation drunk.

You don't cover their ass when they LYNCH A civilian. lol
 

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Theres members of congress that were there before him and are still there, where's your criticism of them? You know, the people who MAKE laws?

It’s a well known fact that it was a republican-led house within Congress that went out of their way to block any legislation put forth by Barack whether they actually agreed with it or not simply because he’s black, as far as this specific situation I don’t see where he HAD to sign off on this bill, especially because it contradicts the things he said at the time in reference to AA’s feeling targeted by police in their own communities but knowing the position he was in I’m guessing he didn’t wanna be seen as someone who sympathized with “cop killers” so he signed that bill, I get it, regardless it’s still disappointing as somebody who has always respected Barack for the reasons I stated in my last post, and yea the members of Congress ain’t shyt but they get those seats in the house because most people ignore politics on the local level(mayors, governors,senators) and wait til it’s time to vote for the president without realizing that these are the people whose decisions have a more direct effect on their neighborhoods so some of that blame lies on us as the voters
 

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This is like the kobe vs lebron debate in politics...nobody on either side is gonna compromise with how they feel about Obama’s presidency

There’s a surprising amount of striking similarities with Obama’s Stanley’s and lebron stans with how they make excuses for and outright ignore short comings while overplaying their hero’s accomplishments too :ohhh:
 

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Democrats in firm control of both houses <<< 2008 when Barack was elected president.

111th United States Congress - Wikipedia
January 3, 2009 – January 3, 2011
Senate Majority Democratic
House Majority Democratic

just give me the facts without all the political juelzing :coffee:
Stop.

You either don’t understand politics or you’re purposely trying to mislead brothers and sisters on this site.

You need 60 Senators to ride with you and keep your opposition from filibustering (blocking) every damn thing you want enacted into law.

Barack Obama NEVER had 60 Senators riding with him because 10 of the Democrats were what was called “ConservaDems”. Google that term. While you’re at it, google “Blue Dog Democrats”.

Time for some of you to go to class and learn the truth about Barack Obama’s first term :stopitslime:
 

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Stop.

You either don’t understand politics or you’re purposely trying to mislead brothers and sisters on this site.

You need 60 Senators to ride with you

Didn’t read passed this, you dudes are adding your own arguments and political diatribes to my argument

I simply said that democrats controlled congress for 2 years, as well as held the White House - this is a fact.

Find me a link that says the 111th Congress WASN’T controlled by Democrats - any other argument made outside of this is not one I made. :coffee:
 

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Didn’t read passed this, you dudes are adding your own arguments and political diatribes to my argument

I simply said that democrats controlled congress for 2 years, as well as held the White House - this is a fact.

Find me a link that says the 111th Congress WASN’T controlled by Democrats - any other argument made outside of this is not one I made. :coffee:
Dems weren't with the shyts like current Repubs are. That's why we gotta replace the establishment Dems for Dems that'll get shyt done
 

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The president is only a figurehead. He is more like the CEO of a company. nikkas be overrating the amount of power the president has. Also anyone who thought Obama was really going to "help" the black community fight racism and injustice is foolish.
 

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Didn’t read passed this, you dudes are adding your own arguments and political diatribes to my argument

I simply said that democrats controlled congress for 2 years, as well as held the White House - this is a fact.

Find me a link that says the 111th Congress WASN’T controlled by Democrats - any other argument made outside of this is not one I made. :coffee:
Of course you are choosing to stand firm because You’re purposely being misleading with your post.

Anyone here can google “ConservaDem” and “Blue Dog Democrat”, which will show them that Obama DID NOT have a 60 Senator supermajority which would allow him to enact his preferred policies. A 51 vote majority is not enough.

Now, I see that you’re purposely trying to mislead the blacks on this site.
 

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Of course you are choosing to stand firm because You’re purposely being misleading with your post.

Anyone here can google “ConservaDem” and “Blue Dog Democrat”, which will show them that Obama DID NOT have a 60 Senator supermajority which would allow him to enact his preferred policies. A 51 vote majority is not enough.

Now, I see that you’re purposely trying to mislead the blacks on this site.

Huh?!? You’re introducing an entirely new discussion (deflecting) in the middle of my point. You’re essentially saying I’m right, but let’s talk about the TYPES of democrats they were

Clearly my statement is true and you know this - BUT, I’m supposed to always add the footnotes to protect Obama! :russ:

You all are proving my point over and over again and don’t even realize it.
 
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