So Barak Obama signed the "Blue Alert" law to protect police

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This is gonna be unpopular but here we go.

The problem with cops is not cops.

The problem with cops is that District Attorneys let them get away with murder.

Anytime you have an armed force of authority, there will be people in that force that abuse that authority. There's no way around it; it's going to happen period.

We don't need more laws (it's already illegal for a cop to shoot an unarmed person in the back as they flee).
We don't need better politicians (lmao).
We need the people whose fukking job it is to hold them accountable to start holding them accountable.

If there were consequences for their actions, these a$$hole motherfukkers would actually think twice about black lives, rather than just pulling a trigger and then hiding behind a badge.
 
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nikkas dont realize yet that police officers actually protect Them from Vicious racists.

Yeah. Police protect black folks from Bloody thirsty racists. Thanks your blessings that you're protected by them in peacetime right now.

In an apocalyptic, lawless and anarchist environnment plenty of fatherless/defenseless/gunless nikkas would be wiped out in POGROM style killings by nomad gangs of miilitia type racist cacs Hungry for Blood and full of Deep racial resentment.
 

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nikkas dont realize yet that police officers actually protect Them from Vicious racists.

Yeah. Police protect black folks from Bloody thirsty racists. Thanks your blessings that you're protected by them in peacetime right now.

In an apocalyptic, lawless and anarchist environnment plenty of fatherless/defenseless/gunless nikkas would be wiped out in POGROM style killings by nomad gangs of miilitia type racist cacs Hungry for Blood and full of Deep racial resentment.
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This is gonna be unpopular but here we go.

The problem with cops is not cops.

The problem with cops is that District Attorneys let them get away with murder.

Anytime you have an armed force of authority, there will be people in that force that abuse that authority. There's no way around it; it's going to happen period.

We don't need more laws (it's already illegal for a cop to shoot an unarmed person in the back as they flee).
We don't need better politicians (lmao).
We need the people whose fukking job it is to hold them accountable to start holding them accountable.

If there were consequences for their actions, these a$$hole motherfukkers would actually think twice about black lives, rather than just pulling a trigger and then hiding behind a badge.
And the biggest problem with District Attorneys is that in most jurisdictions, they're elected by popular vote. :francis:

No DA ever won an election promising to hold the police accountable. The way you win a DA race is by promising to be "tough on crime" (read: harass, intimidate, imprison, and potentially shoot as many black men as possible). :scust:

It's well known that black voter turnout drops dramatically in non-Presidential election years. White voter turnout drops as well - but not nearly as much as black turnout.

So what do local jurisdictions do...they schedule DA elections in off-years. :francis:

When you start unpacking all of this you begin to see the scale of the problem President Obama had to deal with.

There's also the problem of who exactly is being recruited into police forces across the country. There was a massive push to eliminate police corruption in the early to mid 90s under Clinton - this is when many big city police departments started requiring college degrees, spotless criminal backgrounds, mandatory drug tests, character references, etc. in order to qualify. The thinking at the time was that officers who were put through that gauntlet of selection mechanisms would be less likely to plant evidence, take payoffs from drug dealers, conduct executions for hire (organized crime used to subcontract to local police forces regularly for that shyt), etc.

Of course, the law of unintended consequences kicked in. Prior to the new requirements, cops tended to come from poor or working class families at best - and often had intimate knowledge of crime, criminals in their own families, had done some dirt of their own in the past, etc. Were they still racist? You bet. But they also weren't afraid. Pulling over a random black man for speeding at 2am didn't spike their adrenaline, blood pressure through the roof, ready to shoot if the black man moved his hands off the steering wheel.

Creating those extra hoops as part of the "anti-corruption" effort meant that an entirely different class of men would be joining police forces across the country - mostly men who grew up at least working or middle class, with no street knowledge, no experience of poverty or hardship, little empathy, and enormous fear when facing even slightly dangerous situations.

Essentially, we traded corrupt cops who would at least bust out the nightstick before shooting for clean-cut, "model citizen" :mjlol: cops afraid of their own shadows because they grew up sheltered from reality. It's gotten so pathetic now that even black cops are shooting innocent people. :scust:

This clusterfukk is so much bigger than just one or two simple fixes - this is a systemic problem that's going to require a wholesale re-evaluation of law enforcement practices from top to bottom. Expecting Obama to have been able to accomplish that while dealing with a collapsing economy and two failed wars just isn't being realistic.
 
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The only criticism I've ever made of Barack Obama's time as President was that he didn't fully exploit the first 2 years of his presidency when he enjoyed majorities in both the House and Senate.

Economic and political elites were at their weakest at that point due to the recession - banks were reeling from books stuffed with bad debt, most major corporations were laying off tens of thousands of people, investors had seen the value of their portfolios cut by more than 50%, foreclosures were at an all-time high...the panic, fear, and chaos across the country as a result of the financial crisis was a genuine opportunity for Obama to make some serious headway in closing the economic gap not only between blacks and whites, but also working/middle-class people in general and the wealthy.

Looking back at it now, its all more than a bit ironic - until April/May of 2008, I don't think Obama expected to win the Democratic Party nomination...much like Trump never expected to win the Republican nomination (nor ultimately, the Presidency) in 2016. Obama was preparing himself to be the first black Vice President to the first female president, and the thinking among most political elites at the time was that him spending 8 years in that role would "acclimate" the electorate to the idea of a black President in 2016. This wasn't just the thinking of white Democratic Party elites - black political elites (the Donna Braziles of the world) believed the same - and Obama was fully on board with their plan. He was content with "waiting his turn" - he could see that there weren't any other black men on the Democratic Party's bench at that time that could credibly challenge him in 2016, and he was skeptical that with his name and background that he'd be able to generate enthusiastic black turnout in key swing states without several years of proving his "blackness."

But when Obama started crushing primary after primary in early 2008...it threw the master plan into total disarray. Political elites literally couldn't believe what was happening. Neither could Obama. I actually think he was panicked - if he won the Democratic Party nomination, he would be up against a (now disgraced, but back then still unassailable) white war hero in John McCain, and he didn't want his reputation tarnished with a loss in a general election that the Democrats were expected to win by a landslide because of Bush's failed war in Iraq. The financial crisis only added to his panic - by his own admission, Obama was never particularly well-versed in macroeconomic matters, and wanted the focus of his first administration to be on reshaping foreign policy. Exiting Iraq and Afghanistan were his top priorities - he felt that as long as he could achieve those two things, he'd be guaranteed a second term where he'd be able to make some headway on the domestic front - especially on issues that directly affect black folks (persistent racial inequality in incomes, school achievement, imprisonment, etc.).

Obama handled his unexpected win with a whole lot more grace, class, and skill than Trump has - but the fact that it was so unexpected still led to (in my opinion) Obama's failure to genuinely exploit the fallout from the financial crisis.

Things were moving so quickly, and were so far out of his comfort zone, that he essentially imported the entire Clinton economic policy team and let them run the show. For them, the top priority was stabilizing the financial system (banks and the wealthy have always been loyal fundraisers for the Clintons) - and they would do whatever it took to achieve that. Populist/progressive economic policy took a backseat - and Obama wasn't confident enough in this area to push for the sorts of concessions he could have easily won because of elite desperation at the time (steeply progressive tax rates, uncapping FICA taxes, elimination of income tax below $40k, increase in the capital gains tax, a financial transactions tax, Medicare for All, tariffs on imports from low-wage / environmentally destructive countries, basic infrastructure investment, etc.).

Other than that failure, which I think was mostly due to him not expecting to win the Presidency, I think Obama was a pretty damn good President. :salute:

I disagree with Obama very strongly on immigration policy, but God doesn't give with both hands. :manny:

He isn't Malcolm X and never claimed to be - so accusing him of not having done enough for black people doesn't really hold much water with me. And anyways - what American President do you know of that ever got involved when a black professor was racially profiled and arrested for trying to get into his own damn house (or have you forgotten what he did for Henry Louis Gates Jr.?)

He got us out of Iraq and kept us out of Syria for the most part (thank God). The Medicaid expansion that he pushed for (most important part of Obamacare IMHO) has made health care available for literally millions of working class black people that didn't have any access before. His administration was free of scandal, and he served as an incredible role model for black kids.

The last part is so important. :wow:

I remember growing up not seeing a single black face in the line of Presidents in my history books. To me, the idea of a black President was a childish fantasy. :mjcry:

Right now, across the country, the fact that a black man was President - and nothing bad happened - is being imprinted into the consciousness of tens of millions of kids of every race. The next black President will be the one to help move things forward for all black people - and he won't have any of the fear or self-doubt that Obama must have experienced as the first black man running for President with a real shot at winning. :wow:
:ohhh: This is a damn good post. Props.



Like the poster that called you into the thread, I would also point out that his “majority” consisted of conservaDems in the Senate and Blue Dog Democrats in the House. They were basically moderate Republicans.
 

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I can’t lie this is disappointing for me as somebody who really believes in Barack as far as him being someone who I feel could be a positive influence for our people, and somebody who I feel can not only relate to but understand our struggles as AA’s. It felt like he was really behind us with some of the laws he was able to pass(despite congress being almost totally against anything he brought to the table) and that kinda makes me wanna give bruh the benefit of the doubt in regards to this, but it’s hard to look the other way especially considering the fact that innocent AA’s were being killed on a constant basis around the time, not to mention Ferguson itself becoming a real life representation of the tensions between AA’s and the police in America. I just hope bruh had a legit reason as to why he signed off on this bill otherwise he’s looking a lil funny in the light behind this
 

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This is somewhat random,

But I remeber a few years ago being mad at people who were mad at Obama for calling rioters thugs. F the Fox News pundits with clear racist agendas, but yall across the country on message boards not really tuned in or experience things in real life.

Black lives matter and all that is a cool saying and I appreciate what they do, but during that Freddie Gray situation (which started rightfully so) —

I have photos in my phone of people’s homes and cars on fire (regular ass black ppl) from other black peoples - and I got dudes I personally know that was shot in head, can’t function TODAY because it was like the Purge our there.

So many ppl were shot, men woman and child, and that doesn’t make the reports because they only broadcast murders, not survivors.

Dudes out there took it as a chance to either take out old beefs or rob whoever because police were stretched too thin - real life purge. They were breaking in weave stores and shoe outlets and reselling back on the block. Please someone else from Bmore let the people know what was going on.

All that had zero to do with Freddie Gray it was just str8 anarchy.
 

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This is gonna be unpopular but here we go.

The problem with cops is not cops.

The problem with cops is that District Attorneys let them get away with murder.

Anytime you have an armed force of authority, there will be people in that force that abuse that authority. There's no way around it; it's going to happen period.

We don't need more laws (it's already illegal for a cop to shoot an unarmed person in the back as they flee).
We don't need better politicians (lmao).
We need the people whose fukking job it is to hold them accountable to start holding them accountable.

If there were consequences for their actions, these a$$hole motherfukkers would actually think twice about black lives, rather than just pulling a trigger and then hiding behind a badge.
Agreed

See, I've been around black cops.

They're still cops...but they UNDERSTAND.

Black cops are undeniably better assets for black communities in a time where trust is so low. They know how to communicate and know real threats when they see them.
 

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The poster that said chess not checkers is right on the spot.

If Obama would have tried to do some of the things that cats wanted him to do, or make some of the statements that they want him to make, there would be no chance for anybody else to follow him.

TBH, he wouldn't have got elected to begin with if he was that type of dude.
 
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