So AD is top 5 in the league, huh?

[murksiderock]

Breh explain to me how you take Giannis out the top 5, say AD is borderline top 5, and then throw out a bunch of names that do not have a better resume than AD.

I didn't take Giannis out the Top 5, I said Giannis is after Bron/Durant/Kawhi/Steph...

AD is borderline Top 5 because there are too many names you can argue ahead of him. People are shoehorning him into Top 5 because Steph and KD didn't play this year, and because people get aggy on anything Bron-related so they'll gas the fact that he leads the team in most stats...

Lets start with all of the names I mentioned, leaving out the quartet who clearly and obviously have significantly stronger resumes than AD:

•Giannis has done more as a #1 than AD. We can dance all day about the lack of structure AD had in Nola, but he missed the playoffs in 5 of 7 years. Iverson and Garnett weren't exactly working with the best run organizations and they won more---->AD to this point has proven to be more of a "talent" than a winning basketball player...

•Jokic doesn't have a better resume than AD, but has proven to be more of a winner, two playoff appearances thru Y5 and a trip to the WCF...

•Luka doesn't have a better resume but is probably better thru two years than AD was...

•Dame and AD are from the same class of 2012 and to this point you could probably call them a wash. I'm not a big fan of Dame but post-Aldridge, he hasnt exactly been stocked with supreme talent, yet he's in the playoffs every year. Compared to Anthony Davis, that means something...

•Butler doesn't have a better resume than AD but there is something to the fact of, every time Butler leaves somewhere, team goes to shambles, and when he showed up in his last two spots, team instantly becomes better; its LeBron-lite. AD hasnt shown that kind of gravity...

•Harden clearly has a better resume than AD, but its his playoff failures that make it a conversation...

Note, I didnt say any of these guys were definitively better than AD except Giannis, my point is you can make the case for them all. AD can be considered Top 5 if you are evaluating something else, but i value winning basketball players. Everybody has a different style, i dont care what your style is if it means you win at a higher level consistently...

For me, I think its clear, he's a Top 5 "talent" but not a Top 5 lock...

 

[Sccit]

AD IS TOP 3 .. AND HE’S NOT 3

 

[xXMASHERXx]

I didn't take Giannis out the Top 5, I said Giannis is after Bron/Durant/Kawhi/Steph...

AD is borderline Top 5 because there are too many names you can argue ahead of him. People are shoehorning him into Top 5 because Steph and KD didn't play this year, and because people get aggy on anything Bron-related so they'll gas the fact that he leads the team in most stats...

Lets start with all of the names I mentioned, leaving out the quartet who clearly and obviously have significantly stronger resumes than AD:

•Giannis has done more as a #1 than AD. We can dance all day about the lack of structure AD had in Nola, but he missed the playoffs in 5 of 7 years. Iverson and Garnett weren't exactly working with the best run organizations and they won more---->AD to this point has proven to be more of a "talent" than a winning basketball player...

•Jokic doesn't have a better resume than AD, but has proven to be more of a winner, two playoff appearances thru Y5 and a trip to the WCF...

•Luka doesn't have a better resume but is probably better thru two years than AD was...

•Dame and AD are from the same class of 2012 and to this point you could probably call them a wash. I'm not a big fan of Dame but post-Aldridge, he hasnt exactly been stocked with supreme talent, yet he's in the playoffs every year. Compared to Anthony Davis, that means something...

•Butler doesn't have a better resume than AD but there is something to the fact of, every time Butler leaves somewhere, team goes to shambles, and when he showed up in his last two spots, team instantly becomes better; its LeBron-lite. AD hasnt shown that kind of gravity...

•Harden clearly has a better resume than AD, but its his playoff failures that make it a conversation...

Note, I didnt say any of these guys were definitively better than AD except Giannis, my point is you can make the case for them all. AD can be considered Top 5 if you are evaluating something else, but i value winning basketball players. Everybody has a different style, i dont care what your style is if it means you win at a higher level consistently...

For me, I think its clear, he's a Top 5 "talent" but not a Top 5 lock...

Ok I misunderstood your stance on Giannis. And while I disagree that the others mentioned have a case (Jokic might have one) over AD, I can respect your breakdown.

AD IS TOP 3 .. AND HE’S NOT 3

Even though I think this is a troll post, break down the criteria you are using to put AD in top 3.

 

[MJ Truth]

Y’all act like you never heard Anthony Davis referred to as a top five player or possible best player in the world for the past few years. It’s only an issue now. Wonder why.

 

[Sccit]

Ok I misunderstood your stance on Giannis. And while I disagree that the others mentioned have a case (Jokic might have one) over AD, I can respect your breakdown.


Even though I think this is a troll post, break down the criteria you are using to put AD in top 3.

NOT A TROLL POST

WHO IS MORE SKILLED+DOMINANT IN THE LEAGUE RIGHT NOW OUTSIDE OF KAWHI?

DURANT MISSED THE SEASON SO HE DOESNT COUNT

HARDEN CHOKES YEARLY

GIANNIS HAS NO TRUE SKILL

WESTBROOK? LILLARD? MITCHELL? EMBIID? JOKIC?


AD IS THE ONE BRODIE

U CAN EVEN ARGUE HE’S THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA NOW THAT KAWHI EMBARRASSED HIMSELF IN GAME 7

 

[bucks3115]

AD is definetly top 5

YEAH I SAID IT

 

[who_better_than_me]

More importantly, Lebron made him better right?

 

[Chris Cool]

Wrong thread. Unless Lakers completely fall apart, he is now.

 

[rbksNgirbauds]

We'll see how his season finishes, how he performs to close it. As it stands right now he'd barely make the cut because LeBron, KD, Kawhi, and Steph are all better players at the moment...

And personally, I've got it burned in my brain how Giannis washed this nikka when they played in Mke last November, but didn't do the same to a 35-year old LeBron in LA in March. Giannis is greater than AD, add to that they are the same age and Giannis in seven years is vastly more accomplished than AD in his 7 Pelican years, Giannis greater than...

(Sidenote, the Giannis vs AD storyline is gonna be something to watch in the coming years, as they compete with each other on a historical scale. AD will likely be the first one to a championship but The Culture will not forget that he missed the playoffs in 5 of his first 7 years and his impact on the game was not as resounding as Giannis' in Mke)...

It was fun watching him and Jokic trade buckets tonight and while I'm not quite there, it is FAR from unreasonable to make the case that Jokic is better than AD...

So the answer to the question right now is "no", there's too many names you can put in front of him. Does he have Top 5 talent? Yes. I dont think him winning a chip this year, unless he puts up some unprecedented statline, is gonna catapult him ahead of guys who have done it multiple times to most people, and then you can easily make a case not only for Giannis and Jokic but also for Luka, Dame, Butler, and Beard. Too many names to make a case for him....

If you listen closely all the people who say AD is Top 5 have Anti agendas, not a neutral opinion. Objectively AD is borderline Top 5 at best...

To me, these 4 are the only true superstars in the league. Everybody else is a tier below, and like you said depending on how AD finishes up, I’d expand that four to five.

 

[Sccit]

More importantly, Lebron made him better right?

HE WAS TOP 5 BEFORE LEBRON

 

[Reggie]

Bron a healthy KD and a healthy Steph are probably all better. Luka Giannis Harden and Kawhi all have an argument too. But AD is in that tier with those guys and that is all that should matter really.

 

[xXMASHERXx]

NOT A TROLL POST

WHO IS MORE SKILLED+DOMINANT IN THE LEAGUE RIGHT NOW OUTSIDE OF KAWHI?

DURANT MISSED THE SEASON SO HE DOESNT COUNT

HARDEN CHOKES YEARLY

GIANNIS HAS NO TRUE SKILL

WESTBROOK? LILLARD? MITCHELL? EMBIID? JOKIC?


AD IS THE ONE BRODIE

U CAN EVEN ARGUE HE’S THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA NOW THAT KAWHI EMBARRASSED HIMSELF IN GAME 7

I see you're just bias when it comes to the Lakers. You're not trying to have a real conversation.

 

[28 Gramz]

Bron a healthy KD and a healthy Steph are probably all better. Luka Giannis Harden and Kawhi all have an argument too. But AD is in that tier with those guys and that is all that should matter really.

Harden isn't better than AD neither is Giannis. Inflated ppg aside, AD is a better two way player than both of them.

 

[Sccit]

I see you're just bias when it comes to the Lakers. You're not trying to have a real conversation.

REFUTE MY POINTS

YOU CANT

 

[xXMASHERXx]

REFUTE MY POINTS

YOU CANT

You said Giannis has no true skill yet he had better numbers in every category than AD this season. Giannis is going through the same exact thing AD went through when he was in NO. You give Giannis a top 10 player and we aren't having this conversation. That's why I said there is no point in having this conversation with you. You are too bias when it comes to discussing the Lakers.