So AD is top 5 in the league, huh?

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all i'm saying is i won't be surprised either way. We've what both guys and cousins can do at their peak. So if all three manage to hit that peak again together. This team will be dominant and easily be the title favorites.
but it could just as easily go the other way. Cousins might never be the 28 and 12 guy again. AD might not gel well with other stars and end being another K love. Lebrons age might hit him all of a sudden. We'll just have to see when they start playing.
 

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The last two matchups in 2017 and 2018, Embiid destroyed him and won both games. He’s 3-1 against Davis.

Just last yr alone embiid had 32 and 19 while davis was held to 12pts shooting 4-16.

They both have injuries so you can’t throw health in this discussion.

Give me Embiid over AD any day
Embiid has had a superior team. In those four games played against each other AD’s averages are better in every statistical category. Offensively, there isn’t one thing Embiid does better than AD. He’s really not in his league on offense.
 

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Of the 2 players mentioned in the top 5 statement.

You question the 26 year entering his prime and not the 35 year on the clear decline. Lmao.
 

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Its your opinion but he's def in the top 6-7 players in the league I would say KD/bron/curry/AD/kawhi but I wouldn't be mad if somebody said harden or greek in there. I think we haven't seen the best of AD yet but this squad they built should let him shine.
 

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Hold up nikkas in here really tryna shyt on AD? Cats done lost they mind
 

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You can quibble with the order and whether he's Top 5 or not. The reality is there isn't much separating the Top 8 players in the NBA right now and you can put them in any order:

•both LeBron and KD, the two greatest players of the last decade, are coming off of potentially career-altering injuries. In LeBron's case, he's also going into Year 17, there is no precedent for someone his age with a severe injury coming back at the same level, plus he was already declining slightly...

In KD's case, he is about to miss an entire season of basketball, which will effectively disqualify him from best player arguments when the season tips off. There is a HUGE possibility his best years are behind him, as most guys with his injury are never the same...

•Kawhi is great but maybe hasn't fully matured in his game, and while he deserves benefit of the doubt, we a)haven't seen him beat a KD-led team as a #1 in the playoffs, and b)haven't seen him beat a LeBron-led team as a #1 in the playoffs...

As great as Kawhi is, he still has a lot to prove. Kawhi has been a Top 10 player for only four years, three if you take away the season he missed. He had some advantages in his favor other guys don't get. He's the best player right now by circumstance, but if you really watch him play, you can't come away convinced that there's any significant gap between him and the field, something you could obviously say about the two guys whose legacy he's chasing...

•Giannis, Embiid, and Harden have all been exposed as pretenders to varying degree. Harden is an outstanding player but the book is out on him. Embiid has best player potential but can be bullied and looked really soft at points of the last two playoffs...

Giannis media hype train has been going hard for two years to call him the best player alive, then he gets a squad to the ECF and gets backdoor swept while disappearing for 4th quarters and being severely shut down...

For everything we think these guys can be, not a single one of them has proven it yet. Harden has been a Top 5 guy in the regular season for half a decade---->then the playoffs come and remind us of his ceiling...

•Steph is the true wild card but just has physical limitations guys like KD, Bron, and Kawhi don't have. I'm not positive Kawhi us that much greater as a player, but Steph also has a habit of being s better regular season guy than a playoff guy...

•everybody has called AD top 5 for several years. He's clearly one of the 5 most dominant guys, but his leadership is questionable and we haven't seen it translate to team success....

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These are the Top 8 guys in the NBA right now. You can make an argument for all of these guys as Top 5. There is no huge divide....

If guys are talking about legacy, the Top 4 guys are LeBron, KD, Steph, and Kawhi, in that order. Otherwise, and rightfully so, if guys are just going off the last time our eyes watched any of these guys play, you can literally number these nikkas in any order...
 

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On AD vs Embiid:

I do think it's close between the two, but I think AD is better. He's done more with less, even if in the grand scheme that isn't much at all. Embiid has had a Top 3 seed in the inferior conference for two years in a row and can't get outta Round 2...

But it's close. AD's offensive game is more explosive and frankly, more consistent. Embiid is right behind him, not by far at all, but AD's game is more mature and he's shown the ability to do more with less...

If AD had those Philly teams in The East the last two years, he's playing in a Finals. If Embiid is on the Pels, I'm not sure he gets different results from AD...

Also, we are all prisoners of the moment---->Kawhi is better than AD now because we've watched him win a chip with a bunch of guys who couldn't win without him. Kawhi deserves that recognition, but a year ago, two years ago, this was not so cut and dry...

The general thought was while they play different positions, Kawhi and AD on an overall skill level and what they bring to a team, were about equal. Both have been floated as Top 5 for the same amount of time...

Again, Kawhi has earned the right to be considered better than AD based on accomplishments, but player to player, there is not a large gap separating the two, if a gap even exists at all...

Embiid has best player potential but you can't justify him being Top 4 by any stretch. You can justify AD being Top 2-3 if you take away this lost season last year...
 

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I can only imagine what y'all would have said about Kawhi if he joined Bron. :Camfrancis:
 
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