So a Frenchman, Latvian & Spaniard Walk Into Bar, Melo Takes All The Shots Offseason NYK Thread

[23Barrettcity]

Lol, now Kyrie is not that good

This is why I stopped posting. They could say Klay or curry or Davis wants to come to NYC and they'd say not if we have to give something up especially a draft pick the old Knicks did stupid trades involving picks for old washed up/ overrated players. A trade for a young superstar pg is a good deal and you have to give something to get something.
Idk if any generational talents are comin up in the draft but even with tanking we still could not get him or we can tank and get mediocre players . We have KP if we csn get someone to team with him also in his prime in the weak east I say do it

 

[Malta]

An all-star who is another ball hogger and plays no defense. You shyt on Melo for it but at least Melo was winning in Denver. Kyrie wasn't winning shyt over there without Bron and Love.

I started "shytting" on Melo when he was 29-30 telling you that you can't build around him, you and many others disagreed. Kyrie is 25 years old and you're referencing that he couldn't win during his first 3 years? Ok neither could John Wall, Gordon Hayward or any number of other players so I hope I don't ever see you saying you should trade for them if they're on the market.

If you can't see the difference in situations I don't know what to tell you, but then again most of you wanted Okafor over Kristaps so

 

[Malta]

Malta I love and respect you but I strongly disagree

What does kp + Kyrie + thjr do in the east ?
It generate buzz but I want a long term build godammit. We have never had one. We always start and then blow it up when one of these deals come up. I say Kyrie can kick rocks. Injury prone no defense undersized shooting guard.
No thanks. And oh yah I did hate that we overpaid for Baker and thjr but we the Knicks we do dumb stuff.

What is Porzingis/Hardaway/Ntililikina going to do in the east though? The Pacers, Nets, Hawks, and Bulls will all be worse than the Knicks so tanking is going to be very difficult.

I'd trade for Kyrie, stretch provision Noah, trade Lee for a late 1st or 2 early 2nds and hope that Kyrie/Porzingis will mesh but also that the team is bad enough to get a lottery pick so that you have caproom next summer to sign an SF + the pick. I don't factor Hardaway into core discussions he'd be an ancillary piece to Porzingis/Kyrie who would be the foundation. With a tandem like that I'd go after Robert Covington next summer who was elite defensively and try to draft a PF like Robert Williams for the eventual day when Kristaps switches to C.

Very few PGs can defend, so I don't see the big knock on Kyrie for that the same way I do with forwards as there are several 2 way forwards vs really 2 or 3 two way PGs.

 

[seemorecizzy]

That's my point he too up and down. When shyt matter the most. When has melo struggled like that especially in his prime. Kyrie already 25 iirc and I don't think he ever gonna reach melo level. Giving up frank, melo and picks is not a good look. Now either picks or frank is much better

Melo has never been in that position in his entire career
We can't assume how he would perform
If we talking reality, kyrie was a killer all of last finals and half of the recent one
Yall keep talking about frank like he's accomplished something
Hes never even touched the floor yet
I highly highly doubt he becomes better than kyrie
If kyrie was 30 I could see the argument, but he's not 25
Frank can bounce
I'd give em 1 pick protected pick if necessary

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

This is why I stopped posting. They could say Klay or curry or Davis wants to come to NYC and they'd say not if we have to give something up especially a draft pick the old Knicks did stupid trades involving picks for old washed up/ overrated players. A trade for a young superstar pg is a good deal and you have to give something to get something.
Idk if any generational talents are comin up in the draft but even with tanking we still could not get him or we can tank and get mediocre players . We have KP if we csn get someone to team with him also in his prime in the weak east I say do it

I highly doubt that anybody the Knicks draft in the next 3 years will be nearly as good as Kyrie.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Lol, now Kyrie is not that good

Smh
This is why we can't have nice things lol
Anytime something positive comes up, knick fans shyt on it and think of the negative
I rememeber a few weeks back some dude said he didn't want lebron melo wade and paul to form their squad in ny

Like where is dis knick ego coming from
We suck and should be jumping on any chance to improve or win a ring

 

[#SOG_soldier]

Melo has never been in that position in his entire career
We can't assume how he would perform
If we talking reality, kyrie was a killer all of last finals and half of the recent one
Yall keep talking about frank like he's accomplished something
Hes never even touched the floor yet
I highly highly doubt he becomes better than kyrie
If kyrie was 30 I could see the argument, but he's not 25
Frank can bounce
I'd give em 1 pick protected pick if necessary

Agreed on all points. One pick is fair and frank is fair but they not getting willy too

 

[Wargames]

Everyone saying the Knicks aren't going to be bad enough for a good pick next year needs to see the Knicks record the last 2 seasons when Melo wasn't there to get his shots.

With that said a Kyrie/KP duo could be deadly but you got to be smart and learn from the Melo situation. You can't leave the cupboard bare when adding a star you got to have ancillary players to win games.

when the wolves are saying they will send Wiggins and Teague to replace Kyrie..... I can't even imagine the Knicks package needed to compare to that

 

[23Barrettcity]

I highly doubt that anybody the Knicks draft in the next 3 years will be nearly as good as Kyrie.

I agree . I stopped posting because I realize most people are overvaluing potential In here.They turning down proven talent hoping we hit the lottery ,ginna fukk aroung and lose KP since we not making a effort .

 

[Wargames]

I agree . I stopped posting because I realize most people are overvaluing potential In here.They turning down proven talent hoping we hit the lottery ,ginna fukk aroung and lose KP since we not making a effort .

Do you know who some of the Knicks traded picks became breh

Lamarcus aldridge
Noah (who use to be a top 5 center)
Gordon Hayward

We're not nearly a stable enough organization to say "well our draft picks won't be nice". shyt a bunch of them have been key pieces on championship teams beside those guys.

Add to that the fact that Kyrie can't get a super max if traded regardless and I think it's fair to consider building a team he could join in 2019 when he'll be a free agent.

 

[DPresidential]

when the wolves are saying they will send Wiggins and Teague to replace Kyrie..... I can't even imagine the Knicks package needed to compare to that

Can we talk about this???

Kyrie does not have an NTC - EVERY TEAM WILL OFFER shyt FOR HIM.

We are aware of free market economy, right?

Are y'all willing to give up almost anything for Kyrie?

I'm not.

 

[Styles]

I think a huge point in getting picks and young assets is so you can flip them when an opportunity arises.. like Kyrie. But I do agree this team isn't ready yet. Getting Kyrie now might be two years too early. But with that said if Kyrie wants to be in NY then he could end up extending even if the Knicks don't have much success in the next two years.

I still think the Cavs would be dumb to trade Kyrie for Melo + potential when he still is on contract and they are in win now mode so if they bite I think you have to do it.

 

[Francis White]

The biggest difference between Kyrie and Melo is that Kyrie is way better a proven winner and has a ring. He knows that you need to make sacrifices to be a champion. He isn't wasting his time fronting like he getting in game shape in the summer, he is in shape all year round. He makes a better teammate than Melo ever could. He isn't selfish.

 

[DPresidential]

We need to chill as if Kyrie has any type of leverage.

We need to chill as if Kyrie only mentioned the Knicks.

 

[Wargames]

I think a huge point in getting picks and young assets is so you can flip them when an opportunity arises.. like Kyrie. But I do agree this team isn't ready yet. Getting Kyrie now might be two years too early. But with that said if Kyrie wants to be in NY then he could end up extending even if the Knicks don't have much success in the next two years.

I still think the Cavs would be dumb to trade Kyrie for Melo + potential when he still is on contract and they are in win now mode so if they bite I think you have to do it.

That's what I am thinking. If I am the Knicks I try to continue to get good (cheap) players while looking to have space in 2019. Like if they move Melo they definitely can't take on a longer contract now.

They would need that money, plus the money from waiving Noah to pay Kyrie right before they have to lock the cap up by spending large on KP.

It also means they need to make it known that is there plan to try and convince KP to wait until that summer for an extension.