So a Frenchman, Latvian & Spaniard Walk Into Bar, Melo Takes All The Shots Offseason NYK Thread

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I don't see how it's the same assuming you can get him for - Frank + Melo + a pick isn't much for Kyrie.

It's a player you're already trying to get rid of, and an talented but unproven player for an All-star.

The Melo trade was nowhere near that - Chandler, Mozgov, Gallo, Felton and 2 first rounders for a player you could sign at the end of the season. The Knicks wont have the caproom to sign Kyrie when he's a FA thanks to the Noah + Hardaway deals and Kristaps being due for an extension after next season.

Yall missed the window to fragrantly tank because once Porzingis hits his stride either next year or the year after that you're not going to be anywhere near as bad as the Bulls, Nets, Pacers, Hawks, Kings or Magic.

You're seriously horrible.

The Knicks gonna give away Melo frank multiple firsts for two years of kyrie and being a 45 win team and won't go further than the second round

We both know kyrie probably doesn't stay and if they do this trade, the Knicks don't really have anyway of getting better

What's the point? You do this trade when you're a piece away from contending and have the depth to give up

Not when you're in a half ass rebuild you really haven't even started yet because they still have Melo on the team

The Knicks should be in on this trade because it's their best chance at actually getting positive value for Melo and start a legit rebuild
 

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Kyrie wouldn't stop them from getting picks, at least not next year. But, I think the Knicks are headed to a point where the Pelicans are at now which is that Porzingis in a year or two will be so good combined with the East being so bad that it'll be very difficult for them to get a high lottery pick. The window to tank was Kristaps rookie year (no pick) this year, and possibly next year, but after that building through the draft is gonna be a lot of 11-19 type picks as Porzingis starts to develop physically.

The Hardaway signing kind of means they have 1 foot in the future and 1 foot in the present, he's the same age as Kyrie and 25 is young, but it's also at the age where dude should start coming into his own which could fukk up the tank as well, especially with the East being weaker. I would trade for Kyrie if I were the Knicks, his age is right in line with the group of players you have now, he's an all-star and a known commodity, there's no telling how good Frank can be. If Frank has to be a part of the deal then you still do it, Kyrie is just 25.
Malta I love and respect you but I strongly disagree

What does kp + Kyrie + thjr do in the east ?
It generate buzz but I want a long term build godammit. We have never had one. We always start and then blow it up when one of these deals come up. I say Kyrie can kick rocks. Injury prone no defense undersized shooting guard.
No thanks. And oh yah I did hate that we overpaid for Baker and thjr but we the Knicks we do dumb stuff.
 

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You're seriously horrible.

4000 in the red.

The Knicks gonna give away Melo frank multiple firsts for two years of kyrie and being a 45 win team and won't go further than the second round

We both know kyrie probably doesn't stay and if they do this trade, the Knicks don't really have anyway of getting better

What's the point? You do this trade when you're a piece away from contending and have the depth to give up

Not when you're in a half ass rebuild you really haven't even started yet because they still have Melo on the team

The Knicks should be in on this trade because it's their best chance at actually getting positive value for Melo and start a legit rebuild

Your reading comprehension is pure garbage, I said 1 lottery protected first, where did you come up with multiples?

Also stop talking out your ass, the Knicks were one of his preferred locations to be traded to. He's from the tri state area, and his father still lives in Kyrie's childhood home over the bridge in Jersey but according to you he would leave even though as of last week he'd like to be traded there? You just throw logic in the bushes because you're so pressed at the idea of nobody else improving but the Celtics.

He listed 4 teams he'd like to go to and one was the Knicks, now talk out your ass more about how he'd leave.
 

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4000 in the red.



Your reading comprehension is pure garbage, I said 1 lottery protected first, where did you come up with multiples?

Also stop talking out your ass, the Knicks were one of his preferred locations to be traded to. He's from the tri state area, and his father still lives in Kyrie's childhood home over the bridge in Jersey but according to you he would leave even though as of last week he'd like to be traded there? You just throw logic in the bushes because you're so pressed at the idea of nobody else improving but the Celtics.

He listed 4 teams he'd like to go to and one was the Knicks, now talk out your ass more about how he'd leave.

since when have the Knicks been a destination that star players want to go to?

It's been a while, that front office has been an embarrassing circus for a decade... just because it's supposedly on his lock doesn't make him a lock to resign

If he wants to go there so bad he can go there in two years and not gut their future
 

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I'd be reticent to give up Frank, prefer to give up an extra pick with some light protection. The idea of a Kyrie (just a really bad defender let's be honest) and THJ (whose significant defensive improvement made him an okay but not particularly good defender) as our backcourt going forward is great for offense but scary for defense. I'm not fully attached to this Kyrie move at all, past offseason pushes got me jaded. We started this offseason with big cap space, all our firsts and some interesting young talent. To end it as a team that's close to capped out (depending on the deal to be fair), with future picks gone again (since you have a pick once every two years, it seriously limits future use of picks in trades) and with no proven winners is scary to me...it's nicer than previous renditions of this since the team would be young, but I see holes that put us a ways away from contention having dealt away the tools to keep filling in the holes.

That's not to say I'm completely against it though. I have a feeling Kyrie will leave with that "something to prove" that turned Durant into a serious defensive presence for the Warriors...but that's pure speculation and he's been disinterested to date. I also see KP making a leap soon and THJ's second half numbers were third option relevant. This COULD work out. But I wouldn't be opposed to pressing a hard line on how much we give up (Melo, a pick, a second pick acquired dealing Lee or KOQ, and Willy); then pressing Houston with the leverage we have to continue the true tank by sending Melo that way. That way if the Cavs accept, we get a really advantageous deal. If Cavs don't accept, hopefully Houston pushes out a better offer and we have one more tank year to land a third young rookie contract piece to go with our developing young core which would be Frank, THJ, KP and Willy.
 

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He wasn't winning shyt at the age of 18 through 21 on bad Cavs teams, shocker.

He wasn't making an impact either. At this point we pretty much know what Kyrie is, an exciting and elite scorer and not much else. I don't mind trading for him but multiple picks and Frank or willy in addition to melo? Nah.
 

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What's the difference between Kyrie and Melo when he first got to NY?
Absolutely nothing. This is the exact sort of two steps forward, two steps back move this franchise is notorious for. Just like then, we'd end up with a one-way all-star with no depth and no picks for the future.
 

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Exactly

Not to mention the East is wide open with the Cavs imploding.
This team ain't got no bench and most players are young. So, let's say we make it to the ecf we either get blown out or lose in the finals. We don't need to be win now since we can't compete against the warriors.
 

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This team ain't got no bench and most players are young. So, let's say we make it to the ecf we either get blown out or lose in the finals. We don't need to be win now since we can't compete against the warriors.

So what's the point of even playing. Cats really want to wait around for the Warriors to fall off :mjlol:

NBA is so garbage now...
 
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