So a Frenchman, Latvian & Spaniard Walk Into Bar, Melo Takes All The Shots Offseason NYK Thread

[ogc163]

@ogc163

So in your opinion, which of KCP and Hardaway helps win more games for the Knicks?

Right now? KCP if only slightly, But that is rather trivial imo. What's more important is that KCP provides better value long term as he projects to be an above average 3 and D player, with elite defense. Hardaway will never be elite defensively, I'm pretty confident in saying that...i hope I'm wrong but I just don't see him producing defensive games like the videos @Malta posted.

Note: the KCP to Nets comment was written yesterday and I meant to/thought I deleted it

 

[RicanHavok]

Timmy being overpaid aside, I can't help but wonder what happens when the Knicks hire a GM. Does he get to have his own vision or just become another yes man? Do they just nab another Pjax type, as in someone that just helps mitigate the bad decision making...slightly? They already hamstringing the salary cap for the next GM. This team hasn't had a vision or any type of forward thinking in like 20+ years so forgive me if I'm all out of giving them the benefit of the doubt, shyt just looks the same to me at this point. I know/hope there are more moves coming that may possibly create cap space down the line, but again, I have no faith in this FO.
/rant.

 

[DPresidential]

Right now? KCP if only slightly, But that is rather trivial imo. What's more important is that KCP provides better value long term as he projects to be an above average 3 and D player, with elite defense. Hardaway will never be elite defensively, I'm pretty confident in saying that...i hope I'm wrong but I just don't see him producing defensive games like the videos @Malta posted.

Note: the KCP to Nets comment was written yesterday and I meant to/thought I deleted it

Now see...



I thought we were supposed to be signing players who were young fun and ready to help us rebuild...or tank.

Or vets to mentor and help us rebuild...or tank.

I also thought, 1 or 2 extra games won was a BIG deal considering what happen when we won meaningless games the last couple years...

However, you admit the Knicks signed the latter who would contribute to LESS wins and would help or draft position...

Yet, it was a bad move?

This is looking suspect. Not trying to disrespect you or your basketball iq but nikkas need to see how these criticisms make no fukking sense sometimes.

Are there any young free agents out there who you would rather see develop as a knick while we sacrifice draft position?

If not, then Timmy was a signing that, according to your estimate, will help us...tank(fukk I hate that word in this context) and, if you agree, will prevent us from signing the D Rose/Rudy Gay/ Noah types to be treadmill.

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Throwback post of yours

Schmeelk: Knicks Fans, For Their Own Good, Need To Embrace The Tank

Get out your fukking feelings and embrace the tank.

If this helps with a tank, I'm all for it.

Your own admissions about doing what's best for a tank.
I just can't seem to get this commit to rebuild right.


Or maybe the rebuild nikka just don't have a clear understanding of what rebuild means.

 

[Wargames]

I was watching those hardaway scoring highlights and offensively I got to say he looks nice

He was going off against some of the better wing defenders (Bradley, Ariza, Shump, Danny Green)

scored a few points against elite defenders (Kwahi, Lebron) when they got switched onto him

He took advantage of mismatches quicker. If a guy was slower than him Timmy would go into drive mode as soon as he got the ball, if a guy was shorter (like E Gordan) he would just shoot over them all night.

He's not a first option, maybe not even a legit second option, but if the knicks get to the point they have 2 Stars on the roster a guy like Hardaway is going to look great if he brings to NY what he brought to Atlanta.

 

[ogc163]

Now see...



I thought we were supposed to be signing players who were young fun and ready to help us rebuild...or tank.

Or vets to mentor and help us rebuild...or tank.

I also thought, 1 or 2 games won was a BUG deal considering what happen when we will meaningless games the last couple years...

However, you admit the Knicks signed the latter who would contribute to LESS wins and would help or draft position...

Yet, it was a bad move?

This is looking suspect. Not trying to disrespect you or your basketball iq but nikkas need to see how these criticisms make no fukking sense sometimes.

Are there any young free agents out there who you would rather see develop as a knick while we sacrifice draft position?

If not, then Timmy was a signing that, according to your estimate, will help us...tank(fukk I hate that word in this context) and, if you agree, will prevent us from signing the D Rose/Rudy Gay/ Noah types to be treadmill.

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Throwback post of yours




Your own admissions about doing what's best for a tank.
I just can't seem to get this commit to rebuild right.


Or maybe the rebuild nikka just don't have a clear understanding of what rebuild means.
I just can't seem to get this commit to rebuild right.


Or maybe the rebuild nikka just don't have a clear understanding of what rebuild means.

If giving the option between the two, I would take KCP. I wrote the word trivial because I knew you were gonna pull this "is it rebuild or is it tanking" shtick for the 100th time. If I had the option of not signing either player and depending on the draft or a player who has been given up on by another team, I would take the latter two options. I'm not pressed about signing KCP but if the Knicks feel they NEED to sign a RFA to a long term deal I'm taking KCP over Hardaway. Would KCP adding to wins piss me off? For the most part no because he would be a piece I believe in. If he did some heroics late in the season when the Knicks have 20 wins and are in position to get the #1 seed...then I have a reason to annoyed but still not upset because of what I feel his presence on the team represents.


Bringing up cats being upset about late seasons wins again I see. You are either being disingenuous or are just blinded by your dislike of tanking to not understand the context of why posters were upset at the last couple of wins.

At this point I don't think you are confused because several posters have articulated their stance in regards to tanking. @storyteller for example doesn't rock with tanking but he consistently outlines his stance on what he thinks the Knicks should do and he does it in a detached non emotional way. I don't agree with him but I respect his views and he makes it clear that he watches the NBA outside of the Knicks...I can't say that for the other anti-tankers whose views in terms of a long term plan I've asked for and they still have not responded.

 

[DPresidential]

@ogc163

nikka, I'm trying to be detached. Yesterday, I even admitted the signing wasn't the greatest idea.

I've also been vocal about being all for youth and picks.

I'm calling out the fire and brimstone rhetoric about the signing.

You knew I would bring up the tank or rebuild shtick? nikka, I am already falling in line with it being the same...I just don't fukk with the word because of the fringe use/understanding of it.

My point? Is either ochie wally or one mic considering your stance. You expect more wins from KCP, who won't ever be a star, just like Timmy. You really think KCP can be top 20 players in this league?

When you say he's a piece you believe in.. What do you mean? Believe in as a future start possibly? A role player? A 3rd option?

You believe in that at the expense of a significant draft spot?

 

[Wargames]

To be fair the Timmy of KCP debate isn't really valid



Knicks went after Timmy with all their available cap space. to go for KCP they would have to give up assets to shed about 8 mil is salary

 

[ikbm]

To be fair the Timmy of KCP debate isn't really valid



Knicks went after Timmy with all their available cap space. to go for KCP they would have to give up assets to shed about 8 mil is salary

not really
if they wanted kcp they'd just renounce rose's cap hold...u know...the same thing they did when they offered THJ that contract

fukk it
i'm not even tripping about it anymore
just wish his deal wasnt so untradeable....trade kickers and all

 

[Harleminthe80s]

shyt

Whelp welcome home THjr

Your father is still not allowed in the building

 

[JMurder]

Too many shots need to be made between Melo, KP, and Timmy. for all three to be effective. ..... of those 3 KP would be the one likely to fall back ..... Then Frank needs to get reps in there as well as Willy...... Plus the Knicks still don't got a PG besides Baker

The only one of the three that needs the ball to be effective is Melo. And even he doesn't need the ball constantly in the right system. Ball movement, ball movement, ball movement is key

 

[KnickstapeCity]

shyt

Whelp welcome home THjr

Your father is still not allowed in the building

My Saturday is off to a great start already. Let's make the New York Knicks great again, brehs.

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

The team is gonna be fun to watch this year, I would've rather the Knicks signed KCP but I can see how the Knicks would value Tim's athleticism and offensive prowess more in Jeff's uptempo system. It's not a bad signing at all.

 

[Wargames]

Don't know if true but if it isn't this guys career is over

 

[Wargames]

not really
if they wanted kcp they'd just renounce rose's cap hold...u know...the same thing they did when they offered THJ that contract

fukk it
i'm not even tripping about it anymore
just wish his deal wasnt so untradeable....trade kickers and all

For the room to take Timmy they have to renounce Rose's cap hold. That 16 mil is based on the assumption that it will be waived

 

[puggle]

Don't know if true but if it isn't this guys career is over

Hopefully Ryan Anderson isn't being sent back if it happens.