feel like these scenarios are a waste of time to entertain. melo has a new excuse to stay now that phil is gone. the real test for him will be after this coming season. will he pick up his 2018 player option? it'll be the biggest salary year of his career, so i don't see why not...but then he'll have to answer additional "but don't you want to play for a contender????" questions.Possible trade scenarios in the Bagley article below:
Here's one two-team trade proposal:
Rockets get:
Carmelo Anthony
Knicks get:
Eric Gordon
Trevor Ariza
Ryan Kelly
Shawn Long
Tim Quarterman
Isaiah Taylor
And one three-team proposal, with the Miami Heat facilitating a deal:
Rockets get:
Carmelo Anthony
Knicks get:
Trevor Ariza
Ryan Kelly
Shawn Long
Josh McRoberts
Tim Quarterman
Isaiah Taylor
2022 2nd-round pick (from Miami)
2022 2nd-round pick (from Houston)
Heat get:
Ryan Anderson
2020 1st-round pick (from Houston; protected 1-14)
Cavaliers get:
Carmelo Anthony
Knicks get:
Kevin Love
Cavaliers get:
Carmelo Anthony
Hawks get:
Kevin Love
Knicks get:
Marco Belinelli
2018 Minnesota first-round pick (lottery protected)
These trades get Carmelo Anthony out of New York and onto a contender
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Why, breh?
This is true. I still believe Willy hasn't finished developing.I'd prefer Willy honestly and he was improving on his defense he just never got the consistent minutes. Should've been starting
I'm just excited to begin a season and seeing how low stress/drama/internal dysfunction translates to the development of our youth.
This is one of the main reasons why I hope Melo finds a new contending home so he nor our roster have to suffer from the remnants of the melo drama
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
I like the idea of a smart/frank defensive back court but I don't want to give up a first and I also like the idea of a Willy/KP front court even if they have to play around each other at C for 20+ minutes........
I would see if O'Quinn and those 2nds we traded for could do it. Or take Smart and a bad contract or see if they could pull a 3 team trade with O'Quinn or Lee going out and another player going to Boston. But Willy is a 1st team rookie along with a pick is robbery for Smart since they have to move before training camp.
Nope, tanking means losing as many games as possible for a better pick in the draft. You saw how upset people got when THJR was out there playing his ass off and the Knicks won
Yeah, this post lacks context. The reason people were pissed about the THJR game is because the season was lost, he'd be trash all year, and his gunning/scoring in the last few games possibly cost the Knicks Karl Towns.
I'm kind of amazed that people still want to paint "tanking" in a broad stroke, in order to make their point, when the knicks have been losing consistently for 15 years with no plan.
Shmeelk lays it out pretty clearly here, you can have good young players who play hard, learn to function in an offensive and defensive system, improve as players, and likely still lose games -- and have it be net positive.
Schmeelk: It’s Time For The Knicks To Embrace The Tank
Of course, if this young team jumped up and played well (unlikely with the talent deficit, but still) that would be great too! I'd rather them be better than worse -- but you don't want to make future crippling choices and end up with 36 wins.
Embracing a full rebuild for once, is the best thing for the team. Young guys can play hard, compete together - we can see if we can find ancillary parts/rotation pieces in our undrafted/second round/G-League rosters, and next year you'll add another top talent. Then you actually have something to any potential free agents.
It's fitment/roster management basics.
I actually think we'd like Marcus Smart a lot, he's a goon who can defend almost anyone in the NBA.
A Smart/Wily deal would make a good deal of sense for the Knicks on paper, but you gotta consider how KP is going to feel about having his boy traded. The last year was such a disaster that you have to factor that stuff in now... Keeping KP happy and surrounding him with talent are the two most important things we can do, and they might be conflicting with that deal.
As far as Noel, my biggest concern would be: In the end, KP may be most dynamic at the 5. So playing them together might not be as good a fit as it seems on paper. You might be able to bypass it, considering how offensively, KP takes on the role of the 4... but it would take a deft hand to make sure you still had all the spacing you needed. Because Noel can't score at all.
Absolute agreement.
I do not want ANY 1st rounders traded this season.
Lee
O'Quinn
2nd Rounders
should be the only things in discussion for most trades.
Willy in a unique situation.
I absolutely agree with you. I am very in tune with keeping KP happy, I'm surprised I forgot about that for the moment.
NormanConnors
Detroit/MSU Spartan Life
Nah we're going to need somebody to play defenseI never get tagged in these threads
Go hard after KCP this offseason, I feel like he can be had after the Pistons drafted Luke Kennard.
I just know the minute Smart comes to the Knicks, he won't be allowed to play aggressive anymore (foul) and he'll be of no use.
We need to develop talent.
Francis White
i been away to long, my feeling died.
Hopefully it's a one way ticket and he is never coming back.
It's interesting looking at the 95-96 Bulls team.
Only 3 players averaged double digits -
MJ - 30.4
Scottie - 19.4
Kukoc - 13.1
Defensively, they were able to hold opposing teams to 92.9 ppg while they averaged 105.2. The league average was 99.6.
I definitely understand the desire to build teams with a focus on a balanced distribution of team scoring; I just love the idea of focusing on defensively stalwarts throughout the roster and trying to develop high potency offensive players who can really be relied on to light up the game any given night.
I think with us in rebuild mode, the next lottery drafts in the coming years should be trying to get that no.1 option guard and after securing that, really honing in on our defense otherwise.
Bring us back to glory, bball gods.
Only 3 players averaged double digits -
MJ - 30.4
Scottie - 19.4
Kukoc - 13.1
Defensively, they were able to hold opposing teams to 92.9 ppg while they averaged 105.2. The league average was 99.6.
I definitely understand the desire to build teams with a focus on a balanced distribution of team scoring; I just love the idea of focusing on defensively stalwarts throughout the roster and trying to develop high potency offensive players who can really be relied on to light up the game any given night.
I think with us in rebuild mode, the next lottery drafts in the coming years should be trying to get that no.1 option guard and after securing that, really honing in on our defense otherwise.
Bring us back to glory, bball gods.
Not for anything significant. A protected 2nd maybe. They're asking for Willy so fukk no.
storyteller
Veteran
The concept is pretty dope. Build a shutdown defense and let KP carry the scoring load. But flipping Willy to sign Noel isn't worth it to me. Noel is gonna get paid well and at minimum a LOT MORE than Willy. The value of Willy isn't just how good he is now or could be, it's his contract.
Willy Hernangomez
Willy's making less than 1.5 mil a season on average over the next three years. You can't replace his current production with that money let alone whatever improvements he adds over the next three years. What I'd look to do is salary dump Lee or KOQ for a pick or two and offer the return for Smart. KOQ might be unlikely to get a return of a pick, but his contract is nice...so maybe eat a slightly more expensive contract and let the other team insert some protections. Lee I think should garner a pick but who knows in this climate. Either way, acquiring an extra pick and moving it for Smart isn't a bad idea. Smart's only 23, he's inexpensive for the next two seasons and he bumps our defense; that's worth a late pick that we might acquire imo.
As far as the Melo trades, I wouldn't mind that first one with Eric Gordon. I'm almost positive all those other guys are non guaranteed so you can just cut them. I'd try and get a future first out of it tho.
