So a Frenchman, Latvian & Spaniard Walk Into Bar, Melo Takes All The Shots Offseason NYK Thread

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There's a WIDE gap in time and talent between Lampe and Rubio and Rubio was heavily scouted.

I didn't compare him to Lampe, just using Lampe as an example of how easily hypetrains formed during the 00's; and organizations as a whole are much more invested in Euro scouting today. The knicks board at realgm had heavy duty debates on Rubio vs Jennings at the time and chasing footage, scouting talk, etc. simply wasn't the same as say this past offseason when the Mavs were flying out a welcome party to watch Ntilikina and do photo-ops.
 
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We're not tanking. Too much talent on this team.

Atlanta, Chicago especially after Wade gets bought out, Indiana, Orlando, Brooklyn and arguably Detroit all have less talent than us. Atlanta is clear cut worse team in the league.

Knicks and Detroit will have similar seasons this year. both have a lot of talent and are due for a major turn around. Those 2 teams and the Hornets will battle it out for the 6-8 playoff spots.
 

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Problem with the East is it's looking like a race to the bottom. Lots of teams will be outright tanking by midseason. That's not me saying that we've got a playoff team, but that getting a top pick is going to be difficult this year without luck of the ping pong balls and a real move away from vets to youth which remains to be seen based on the current roster make-up.
 

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We're not tanking. Too much talent on this team.

Atlanta, Chicago especially after Wade gets bought out, Indiana, Orlando, Brooklyn and arguably Detroit all have less talent than us. Atlanta is clear cut worse team in the league.

Detroit and Indiana might struggle bars there way to 25-30 games. Brooklyn too if D Li does his thing. Atlanta and Chicago are my two worse teams. I have the Knicks in a wide berth of 20 - 30. The PG position is beyond shakey in a PG league, Melo might give no effort (or too much effort) and KP while playing great is coming off of months of playing which means he will likely be tired at the end of the season and need rest like he normally does.

I want Doncic but the Knicks have no luck
 

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The reason I'm worried about double or triple guard rotations with Hornacek is, we don't have the talent he had on the Suns.

Dragic and Thomas were both running the floor and running with the ball. Gerald green was also balling out, their team that year was athletic. Bledsoe had his best year that year if I recall too.

Our team is allergic to running. And I can guarantee we are still running the triangle offense without knowledge of the system.

Having Hardaway start is necessary, he became a passing SG while in ATL. Hopefully he retains that as he chucks the ball up in our NY system.

Porzingis looks good playing D with his feet. However, we need to stop switching on Defense. Guards are going to eat him up this year.

All in all, my enthusiasm will be gone by the time December hits, like every season prior.
 

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Detroit and Indiana might struggle bars there way to 25-30 games. Brooklyn too if D Li does his thing. Atlanta and Chicago are my two worse teams. I have the Knicks in a wide berth of 20 - 30. The PG position is beyond shakey in a PG league, Melo might give no effort (or too much effort) and KP while playing great is coming off of months of playing which means he will likely be tired at the end of the season and need rest like he normally does.

I want Doncic but the Knicks have no luck
We won 31 games last year.

-KP played 66 games.
-D-Rose played 64 games.
-Lance Thomas and Joakim Noah played 46 games a piece.
-Brandon Jennings was our 6th Man for much of the season. Justin Holiday was our best wing off the bench. Kyle O'Quinn may have been our best overall bench player.
-We gave minutes to Maurice N'Dour, Sasha Vujacic, Marshall Plumlee, Ron Baker.
-I swear we lost a good 5-6 games off game winners, fukking T.J. McConnell gamed it on us.

We are better this year. I think we can do better than 20-30 wins.
 

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Detroit and Indiana might struggle bars there way to 25-30 games. Brooklyn too if D Li does his thing. Atlanta and Chicago are my two worse teams. I have the Knicks in a wide berth of 20 - 30. The PG position is beyond shakey in a PG league, Melo might give no effort (or too much effort) and KP while playing great is coming off of months of playing which means he will likely be tired at the end of the season and need rest like he normally does.

I want Doncic but the Knicks have no luck
We won 31 games last year.

-KP played 66 games.
-D-Rose played 64 games.
-Lance Thomas and Joakim Noah played 46 games a piece.
-Brandon Jennings was our 6th Man for much of the season. Justin Holiday was our best wing off the bench. Kyle O'Quinn may have been our best overall bench player.
-We gave minutes to Maurice N'Dour, Sasha Vujacic, Marshall Plumlee, Ron Baker.
-I swear we lost a good 5-6 games off game winners, fukking T.J. McConnell gamed it on us.

We are better this year. I think we can do better than 20-30 wins.
 

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The reason I'm worried about double or triple guard rotations with Hornacek is, we don't have the talent he had on the Suns.

Dragic and Thomas were both running the floor and running with the ball. Gerald green was also balling out, their team that year was athletic. Bledsoe had his best year that year if I recall too.

Our team is allergic to running. And I can guarantee we are still running the triangle offense without knowledge of the system.

Having Hardaway start is necessary, he became a passing SG while in ATL. Hopefully he retains that as he chucks the ball up in our NY system.

Porzingis looks good playing D with his feet. However, we need to stop switching on Defense. Guards are going to eat him up this year.

All in all, my enthusiasm will be gone by the time December hits, like every season prior.

Your point on the Suns Guards is duly noted. I can't deny that Dragic and a then slept on IT were important factors in the success there. But I think they'll be able to run and Jarrett Jack just had an interview drop where he implied that the team isn't doing the triangle stuff anymore but moving more toward that PHX system. I don't expect this team to be very good, but I'll settle for hardworking and hopefully competitive (similar to Philly last season). I think it'll be fun to watch as long as everyone involved is prepared to hand the keys over to the young guys and let them take the reins.
 

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We won 31 games last year.

-KP played 66 games.
-D-Rose played 64 games.
-Lance Thomas and Joakim Noah played 46 games a piece.
-Brandon Jennings was our 6th Man for much of the season. Justin Holiday was our best wing off the bench. Kyle O'Quinn may have been our best overall bench player.
-We gave minutes to Maurice N'Dour, Sasha Vujacic, Marshall Plumlee, Ron Baker.
-I swear we lost a good 5-6 games off game winners, fukking T.J. McConnell gamed it on us.

We are better this year. I think we can do better than 20-30 wins.
We still have shyt PG's, a rookie, and Ron Baker.

Hardaway is a good look though
 

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We still have shyt PG's, a rookie, and Ron Baker.

Hardaway is a good look though
D-Rose had tunnel vision, was a spacing killer because of non-existent three ball, poor chemistry with KP, no-showed a game Iverson-style, he got buckets in the paint but was one of the worst defenders in basketball.

At least we have a long armed guard in Ntilikina who can be disruptive and prevent so much dribble drive and fight through screens.

Jack is a vet. I'd be happy if he can give us what he gave Brooklyn.

Timmy and Beasley were 20 point scorers per 36 minutes last year. Willy was a walking double double and will now start. Kuz should be more acclimated with American ball in year 2 and had a great Eurobasket. O'Quinn will be back as a serviceable bench big. KP is going into his third season which means he should put up All-Star numbers, he's been playing ball and lifting all summer. The hope is LT and Noah can give us something and have better health.
 
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https://nypost.com/2017/09/19/knicks-new-pg-gives-telling-peek-of-whats-not-in-this-offense/

If Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek plans on installing any leftover triangle principles from the failed Phil Jackson regime, it hasn’t happened yet.

Jarrett Jack, newly signed veteran Knicks point guard, said at a Tuesday press conference that during voluntary workouts the past two weeks Hornacek hasn’t mentioned the T-word and has only talked up his high-speed offense that he ran in Phoenix. (Coaches aren’t supposed to be instructing the players until training camp officially begins Monday).

During July’s summer league in Orlando, days after team president Jackson was canned, Hornacek indicated he could keep some triangle principles going into the coming season but said he wanted the offense to be high tempo.

The summer-league team ran mostly triangle since there was no time to adjust. However, during the joint press conference for president Steve Mills and Scott Perry in mid-July, there was no mention of Jackson’s beloved offensive system. Mills wrote a blog for the club website recently, in which the triangle was not addressed.

“If there are, he hasn’t implemented them yet,’’ Jack said regarding whether Hornacek has mentioned the triangle. “So far, it’s a lot of much more fast-paced offense, moving, cutting, more ball movement. From what I understand, that’s the crux of it for now.’’

Jack, who signed a non-guaranteed pact last week partly to help rookie point guard Frank Ntilikina’s development, said he’s “having all sorts of conversations’’ with Hornacek on “what he expects from the team now.’’

“[It’s] the transition from not playing in the triangle to this new offense he’s putting in, so all of that has been real fun, real enlightening, So I’m waiting for one of these Jerry Sloan training camps, from what I understand,’’ Jack said.

Ironically, Michael Beasley had his best year with Kurt Rambis in Minnesota in 2010-11, when the current Knicks assistant ran Jackson’s triangle. But he likes Hornacek’s style better. Hornacek blended the two offenses last season, but the results were disastrous. A week before the All-Star break, Jackson ordered a movement back toward the triangle.

“I love the way Hornacek coaches,’’ Beasley said. “I love his fast-paced style of play. As far as how I fit, as far as who’s here, I can play with anybody.”

With Jack’s signing, the Knicks now have four point guards on the roster. Coming off a series of knee problems, Jack, 33, doesn’t appear a mortal lock for the 15-man roster. Veteran Ramon Sessions was signed in late July to join Ntilikina and Ron Baker, re-signed to a lucrative deal for the $4 million room exception.

However, Sessions has yet to report to Tarrytown to be with the 19-year-old Ntilikina, the Knicks’ lottery pick, for voluntary workouts. Jack said at least 15 players have arrived. Kristaps Porzingis, Mindaugas Kuzminskas and Willy Hernangomez have yet to return following the European Championships and on-the-block Carmelo Anthony is hosting his own scrimmages in Manhattan.

If he’s healthy and Sessions doesn’t recover well from last year’s season-ending knee injury, Jack could vault into the starting lineup. However, Jack has appeared in 34 games combined the past two seasons — with just two last year in New Orleans — because of a torn ACL and torn meniscus. There is a distinct possibility the Knicks’ point-guard situation could turn into a mess.

“Whatever job capacity they need, I feel I’ve been in all of them and done well in all of them,’’ Jack said. “If that’s what it is, that’s cool. If it’s not, that’s cool too. There’s a lot of ways to make a significant impact on a team. It’s a long season, long journey. Who knows how it shakes out when all’s said and done. I think I’m a well-rounded player.”

Already Jack, a former Net, is impressed with the rookie Frenchman and his defensive potential, at 6-foot-5 with a 7-foot wingspan. Jack was given credit for being a mentor to Stephen Curry in Golden State during the 2012-13 season.

“I’ve gotten a chance to work out with Frank for the past couple weeks and he’s a solid kid, man — really, really can play, really long arms, really active defensively,’’ Jack said. “Great size. Just looking forward to giving him all the game that I’ve gotten over these 13 years and I think we’ve got a pretty solid stable of players at that position with a bunch of guys able to contribute when and if their number is called.”

If he’s more mentor than player, Jack will be fine with it.

“For sure he has a lot of tools that you can’t teach but just the cerebral side of it, that’s where I come into play,’’ Jack said. “Just try to hip him to some little tricks of the trade as the season goes along and just understanding what it means to be a starting [point guard] in this league.”


According to Jack, Perry had contacted him in July when the executive was trying to recruit him to California. Perry kept in contact after being hired by the Knicks.

“I remember when I first got to Golden State all the writers and experts gave us a zero percent chance of getting to the playoffs and we know how that season turned into,’’ Jack said. “ You never know what it could turn into.’’

At least the Knicks know there will be next to no triangle.
 
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We're not tanking. Too much talent on this team.

Atlanta, Chicago especially after Wade gets bought out, Indiana, Orlando, Brooklyn and arguably Detroit all have less talent than us. Atlanta is clear cut worse team in the league.
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From top 2 in the east to not mentioned at all:huhldup:
 
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