So a Frenchman, Latvian & Spaniard Walk Into Bar, Melo Takes All The Shots Offseason NYK Thread

[Bobby Lashleys eyebrows]

I know they won't be a great team but this will be a fun team to watch. I'm interested in seeing the chemistry between Hardaway and KP. So glad they brought my boy back, been a big fan of him since the beginning. Hopefully Frank becomes a good passer, mid range shooter and defender.

 

[DPresidential]

Man... this backcourt can be special in a year or two...

This legitimately makes me very happy.

 

[Derek Lee]

Welcome to New Orleans, Lance

 

[Ironman]

Welcome to New Orleans, Lance

Cmon Perry!

 

[Wargames]

Man... this backcourt can be special in a year or two...

They both look like good SG's. If we can luck up into Luka Doncic and have those two around him and KP....... In a few seasons they would be beast

I think we could as a stretch go after that Brooklyn Pick Cleveland has. Maybe send them a combination of Lee and Melo to the Cavs bad contracts and picks.

Love
Melo
Lebron
Lee
Rose (eventually IT)

Bench
JR
Crowder
O'quinn

Is a really damn good team. If IT gets healthy that's a better team than the one Lebron had last year

 

[Malta]

I think we could as a stretch go after that Brooklyn Pick Cleveland has. Maybe send them a combination of Lee and Melo to the Cavs bad contracts and picks.

They won't trade the Brooklyn pick for Melo, that pick will only be used to get a under 30 all-star caliber player.

 

[Wargames]

They won't trade the Brooklyn pick for Melo, that pick will only be used to get a under 30 all-star caliber player.

Nyets aren't even the worse team this year Atlanta and Bull are. Maybe Orlando and Utah. Also if the knicks move elo they could be in the running too

Also here's another trade Frye, Shump, and the cavs Trade Exceptions equai Melo salary. They would basically be adding Melo for Trash and high lottery Pick. How many teams are looking to move somebody in their prime for Frye and Shump to rebuild?

 

[Malta]

Nyets aren't even the worse team this year Atlanta and Bull are. Maybe Orlando and Utah. Also if the knicks move elo they could be in the running too

Also here's another trade Frye, Shump, and the cavs Trade Exceptions equai Melo salary. They would basically be adding Melo for Trash and high lottery Pick. How many teams are looking to move somebody in their prime for Frye and Shump to rebuild?

I'm not trading a top 8 pick for Melo when the only other offer for him involves Ryan Anderson and no picks, and lets be real if it were such a bad pick you wouldn't want it


Melo isn't in his prime anymore, hence the offers for him being what they are, even if other teams were included nobody is offering a top 10 pick for him.

 

[Wargames]

I'm not trading a top 8 pick for Melo when the only other offer for him involves Ryan Anderson and no picks, and lets be real if it were such a bad pick you wouldn't want it


Melo isn't in his prime anymore, hence the offers for him being what they are, even if other teams were included nobody is offering a top 10 pick for him.

That's ignoring the extenuating circumstances of him having the no trade clause. As well as the trash that the Cavs are sending back with that pick.

Also that Anderson offer didn't get the Rockets Melo and they were the only game in town. It was only being considered because Phil went Full Retard. As soon as Perry and Mills got control they dropped all trade talks with the Rockets.

So 23 puts, 6reb, 3asts was Melo's stat line last year for Shump and Frye and ??? at a pick. Also if Lebron leaves odds are Melo would leave and they could let IT walk saving the organization a shot ton of money as they begin the rebuild process after a year of them being ultra competitive against the warriors.

 

[Malta]

That's ignoring the extenuating circumstances of him having the no trade clause. As well as the trash that the Cavs are sending back with that pick.

Also that Anderson offer didn't get the Rockets Melo and they were the only game in town. It was only being considered because Phil went Full Retard. As soon as Perry and Mills got control they dropped all trade talks with the Rockets.

So 23 puts, 6reb, 3asts was Melo's stat line last year for Shump and Frye and ??? at a pick. Also if Lebron leaves odds are Melo would leave and they could let IT walk saving the organization a shot ton of money as they begin the rebuild process after a year of them being ultra competitive against the warriors.

No, there's literally no reason for the Cavs to give up the Nets pick, the best the Knicks could hope for is the Cavs own 2018 pick and a future 2nd.

Bruh, why would you trade a pick for a player that you just said could leave if Bron leaves Assuming the trade isn't voided, there's absolutely no reason for the Cavs to trade the Nets pick for Melo, it would be about as poor of a decision as it gets.

Having caproom doesn't help a small market like Cleveland, keeping the draft pick or finding a sub 30 year old all-star still under contract is far more valuable than trading it for maybe 6 months of Melo.

 

[Wargames]

No, there's literally no reason for the Cavs to give up the Nets pick, the best the Knicks could hope for is the Cavs own 2018 pick and a future 2nd.

Bruh, why would you trade a pick for a player that you just said could leave if Bron leaves Assuming the trade isn't voided, there's absolutely no reason for the Cavs to trade the Nets pick for Melo, it would be about as poor of a decision as it gets.

Having caproom doesn't help a small market like Cleveland, keeping the draft pick or finding a sub 30 year old all-star still under contract is far more valuable than trading it for maybe 6 months of Melo.

The only assets the Cavs really have is that pick, Lebron (who has a no trade) and Love. The pick is overrated. The Nyets got better, and other teams got worse. Also there are no trade scenarios where the Cavs aren't sending out bad contracts with that pick unless the trade Love (which I doubt) so its really as much a take these bad deals and give us a better player... This pick could be anywhere from 5 - 10. Teams aren't going to bite on that and the later they wait to move it the more they risk its value going down.

Melo for Shump and Frye would make the Cavs legit contenders now.

Also I think if the Cavs are smart they will immediately look to slash salary post Lebron.

If Lebron stays I dont see Melo opting out and the two of them can finish their two year contracts in Cleveland. If Lebron leave the cavs can fall back and rebuild without paying bad contracts.

Anyhow look I am not saying it is going to happen. I said it was a stretch in the original post, but shyt would you have though a cavs/celtics trade would happen and the cavs would come back and demand more because a damage IT isn't cutting it? I think Boston really overvalued that pick brooklyn pick and I don't think the cavs do.

 

[Malta]

The only assets the Cavs really have is that pick, Lebron (who has a no trade) and Love. The pick is overrated. The Nyets got better, and other teams got worse. Also there are no trade scenarios where the Cavs aren't sending out bad contracts with that pick unless the trade Love (which I doubt) so its really as much a take these bad deals and give us a better player... This pick could be anywhere from 5 - 10. Teams aren't going to bite on that and the later they wait to move it the more they risk its value going down.

The Cavs have Love, Zizic, Osman and their own 2018 pick, did you not see the trades it took to get Boogie, Butler and George, guys in their mid 20s who are currently better than Melo didn't even get the equivalent of that Nets pick. The Nets pick is currently being traded for a 25 year old multi-time allstar, so you really think they'd turn around and flip it for a 33 year old player who may or may not stay with them? Yall didn't even want the Knicks to include picks for Kyrie, but the Cavs should do it for an older version of Kyrie?

Melo for Shump and Frye would make the Cavs legit contenders now.

Also I think if the Cavs are smart they will immediately look to slash salary post Lebron.

If Lebron stays I dont see Melo opting out and the two of them can finish their two year contracts in Cleveland. If Lebron leave the cavs can fall back and rebuild without paying bad contracts.

Anyhow look I am not saying it is going to happen. I said it was a stretch in the original post, but shyt would you have though a cavs/celtics trade would happen and the cavs would come back and demand more because a damage IT isn't cutting it? I think Boston really overvalued that pick brooklyn pick and I don't think the cavs do.

If the pick were trash you wouldn't want it included, why not just take the Cavs own 2018 pick for Melo since the Nets pick apparently falling between 5-10 isn't worth that much, right?

Frye is an expiring contract which makes it valuable for that reason alone.

 

[nomoreneveragain]

ask for the right to swap the 2019 pick

 

[Wargames]

If the pick were trash you wouldn't want it included, why not just take the Cavs own 2018 pick for Melo since the Nets pick apparently falling between 5-10 isn't worth that much, right?

Frye is an expiring contract which makes it valuable for that reason alone.

Knicks fans have seen the value of expirings with Amare and Rose....... and we're going to learn that lesson again in 2 seasons with Noah. Anyhow Frye coming off the books might help the Cavs financially but they would still be a tax team unless Lebron leaves.

Also the Cavs 2018 is a late 1st rounder. Ususally the talent you see there is close enough to the second round you might as well get a early second rounder to avoid a guaranteed contract if you snub the pick. Anyhow my argument isn't that the Brooklyn pick doesn't have value. Just that it's not getting the Cavs a great player by itself and they need all of their current good players if they really want to compete with the warriors.

The Cavs have Love, Zizic, Osman and their own 2018 pick, did you not see the trades it took to get Boogie, Butler and George, guys in their mid 20s who are currently better than Melo didn't even get the equivalent of that Nets pick. The Nets pick is currently being traded for a 25 year old multi-time allstar, so you really think they'd turn around and flip it for a 33 year old player who may or may not stay with them? Yall didn't even want the Knicks to include picks for Kyrie, but the Cavs should do it for an older version of Kyrie?

That pick isn't getting the Celtics a 25 year old all star. A 29 year old all star and a very good Roleplayer (both on great contracts) plus a good Center prospect AND that pick is getting them a 25 year old all star. If the Cavs thought as highly of that pick as people here (and in Boston) do they wouldn't be risking it to demand more.

Shump, and Frye (with their contracts) and a pick that could be 5-10 would not of got a team Boogie, PG, Or Butler. Even 1-5 I don't see teams making that deal unless the lottery has happened to cement the place of the pick. Right now they could pull a D'snitch possibly a Bledsoe but are those deals better than Melo

 

[Malta]

Knicks fans have seen that with Amare and Rose the value of expirings....... Anyhow Frye coming off the books might help the Cavs financially but they would still be a tax team unless Lebron leaves.

Also the Cavs 2018 is a late 1st rounder. Ususally the talent you see there is close enough to the second round you might as well get a early second rounder to avoid a guaranteed contract if you snub the pick. Anyhow my argument isn't that the Brooklyn pick doesn't have value. Just that it's not getting the Cavs a great player by itself and they need all their good players if they really want to compete with the warriors.

You're overrating what Melo is right now, he's not worth the Nets pick to begin with, you keep saying it doesn't have value so why exactly do you want it? It has even more value to the Cavs because it protects their future against LeBron leaving, you have yet to explain how it's a good idea to trade a lottery pick for a player that could leave. They traded for Jae Crowder and Isaiah Thomas to compete now, the pick is for their future in the event LeBron leaves, why would they trade that for a 33 year SF that could leave?

That pick isn't getting the Celtics a 25 year all star. A 29 year old all star and a very good Roleplayer (both on great contracts) plus a good Center prospect AND that pick is getting them a 25 year old all star. If the Cavs thought as highly of that pick as people here (and in Boston) do they wouldn't be risking it to demand more.

Wrong, the Cavs said the pick was the major prize in the trade, which is why they have yet to veto the trade despite the fact Thomas may need surgery and could miss the season.

Shump, and Frye (with their contracts) and a pick that could be 5-10 would not of got a team Boogie, PG, Or Butler. Even 1-5 I don't see teams making that deal. You could pull a D'snitch possibly a Bledsoe but are those deals better than Melo

Bruh, Boogie was traded for Buddy Hield and the 10th pick, PG was traded for Oladipo and Sabonis (no picks), Butler got the best haul of Dunn, LaVine and swapping picks and that's with LaVine tearing his ACL. You're vastly overrating Melo's worth, while underrating the worth of a pick that will be 5-8 and potentially higher since it is a lottery after all. These guys are younger than Melo, don't have a no trade clause and the value they got in return was pretty shytty, there's literally no reason for the Cavs to give up equal to or more to get Melo than those teams gave up to get better/younger stars.