Snowden is a whistle-blower...AND a bit of a traitor. Sorry. I gotta say it.

What is Edward Snowden?

  • Patriot/Hero

    Votes: 19 59.4%
  • Traitor

    Votes: 4 12.5%
  • Both Patriot/Traitor

    Votes: 8 25.0%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Total voters
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http://www.lawfareblog.com/2014/01/the-extent-of-the-snowden-disclosures/#.Usv-6_2jNg

The Extent of the Snowden Disclosures
By Paul Rosenzweig
Monday, January 6, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Jim Geraghty of National Review’s “Morning Jolt” has this useful summary of Snowden disclosures that are more related to disclosing foreign surveillance than to disclosing domestic US activity by the NSA:

Here’s just a partial list of Snowden’s leaks that have little or nothing to do with domestic surveillance of Americans:

The classified portions of the U.S. intelligence budget, detailing how much we spend and where on efforts to spy on terror groups and foreign states, doesn’t deal with Americans’ privacy. This leak revealed the intelligence community’s self-assessment in 50 major areas of counterterrorism, and that “blank spots include questions about the security of Pakistan’s nuclear components when they are being transported, the capabilities of China’s next-generation fighter aircraft, and how Russia’s government leaders are likely to respond to ‘potentially destabilizing events in Moscow, such as large protests and terrorist attacks.’” The Pakistani, Chinese, and Russian intelligence agencies surely appreciate the status report.

Our cyber-warfare capabilities and targets don’t deal with Americans’ privacy. The revelation that the U.S. launched 231 cyber-attacks against “top-priority targets, which former officials say includes adversaries such as Iran, Russia, China and North Korea and activities such as nuclear proliferation” in 2011 has nothing to do with Americans’ privacy.

The extent and methods of our spying on China have nothing to do with Americans’ privacy.

British surveillance of South African and Turkish diplomats has nothing to do with Americans’ privacy.

The NSA’s successful interceptions of communications of Russian President Dimitri Medvedev has nothing to do with Americans’ privacy. This is not a scandal; it is literally the NSA’s job, and now the Russians have a better idea of what messages were intercepted and when.

Revealing NSA intercepts and CIA stations in Latin America — again, nothing to do with U.S. citizens.

Revealing a U.K. secret internet-monitoring station in the Middle East — nothing to do with U.S. citizens.

The extent and range of NSA communications monitoring in India. . . .

The fact that the United States has “ramped up its surveillance of Pakistan’s nuclear arms,” has “previously undisclosed concerns about biological and chemical sites there,” and details of “efforts to assess the loyalties of counterterrorism sources recruited by the CIA” . . .

The U.S.’s spying on Al-Jazeera’s internal communication system. . . .

What we know about al-Qaeda efforts to hack our drones. . . .

The NSA’s ability to intercept the e-mail of al-Qaeda operative Hassan Ghul. . . .

The NSA’s ability to read the e-mail of the Mexican president. . . .

The U.S.’s electronic intercepts of communications to French consulates and embassies in New York and Washington. . . .

The existence of NSA surveillance teams in 80 U.S. embassies around the globe . . .

NSA’s spying on OPEC . . .

NSA’s collecting data on the porn habits of Muslim extremist leaders in order to discredit them . . .

. . . none of these stories have much of a tie to Americans’ privacy.


Surveillance, Surveillance: Snowden NSA Controversy

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If he had kept it STRICTLY US Domestic Surveillance...It'd be cool...but he didn't.

As long as nation-states exist, we gotta admit that WE ARE AMERICANS.

I don't even like blind-nationalism like that but there needs to be an honest discussion about loyalty cause it seems like a bunch of people forgot how quickly this shyt can devolve and we forget how cushy our ability to even bytch about dumb shyt online can be.

We need a standard man.

You can't just have cats leaking all sorts of shyt cause they have some sort of "moral hang up" about their jobs.

Some things are on the table...somethings aren't.
 

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i kinda agree with this. applauds to him for exposing what we already suspected about gov snooping and the extent of it. taking his talents to russia and basically offering up more info to the highest bidder makes me feel some kinda way though. i understand his need for self preservation, but i'm thinking there could have been a more clandestine way of releasing the info.

i also have serious reservations about his motivations and timing. maybe i'm really jaded, but part of me wonders if it would have went down like it did if obama wasn't the president. for example i'm 100% certain there is (or was) verifiable smoking gun evidence about the lies that led to the iraq war and other shady sh1t from every previous president, but the intelligence community never outed those guys.
 

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When telling the truth is a crime, what kind of nation do you have? :to:


Pretty much.

The man is a hero. If the people ever end up taking this country back, the first order of business should be to give this man a pardon, a Presidential Medal of Freedom and a statue on the National Mall. The man sacrificed his life and freedom to tell us what was/is going on.

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http://www.lawfareblog.com/2014/01/the-extent-of-the-snowden-disclosures/#.Usv-6_2jNg

The Extent of the Snowden Disclosures
By Paul Rosenzweig
Monday, January 6, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Jim Geraghty of National Review’s “Morning Jolt” has this useful summary of Snowden disclosures that are more related to disclosing foreign surveillance than to disclosing domestic US activity by the NSA:

Here’s just a partial list of Snowden’s leaks that have little or nothing to do with domestic surveillance of Americans:

The classified portions of the U.S. intelligence budget, detailing how much we spend and where on efforts to spy on terror groups and foreign states, doesn’t deal with Americans’ privacy. This leak revealed the intelligence community’s self-assessment in 50 major areas of counterterrorism, and that “blank spots include questions about the security of Pakistan’s nuclear components when they are being transported, the capabilities of China’s next-generation fighter aircraft, and how Russia’s government leaders are likely to respond to ‘potentially destabilizing events in Moscow, such as large protests and terrorist attacks.’” The Pakistani, Chinese, and Russian intelligence agencies surely appreciate the status report.

Our cyber-warfare capabilities and targets don’t deal with Americans’ privacy. The revelation that the U.S. launched 231 cyber-attacks against “top-priority targets, which former officials say includes adversaries such as Iran, Russia, China and North Korea and activities such as nuclear proliferation” in 2011 has nothing to do with Americans’ privacy.

The extent and methods of our spying on China have nothing to do with Americans’ privacy.

British surveillance of South African and Turkish diplomats has nothing to do with Americans’ privacy.

The NSA’s successful interceptions of communications of Russian President Dimitri Medvedev has nothing to do with Americans’ privacy. This is not a scandal; it is literally the NSA’s job, and now the Russians have a better idea of what messages were intercepted and when.

Revealing NSA intercepts and CIA stations in Latin America — again, nothing to do with U.S. citizens.

Revealing a U.K. secret internet-monitoring station in the Middle East — nothing to do with U.S. citizens.

The extent and range of NSA communications monitoring in India. . . .

The fact that the United States has “ramped up its surveillance of Pakistan’s nuclear arms,” has “previously undisclosed concerns about biological and chemical sites there,” and details of “efforts to assess the loyalties of counterterrorism sources recruited by the CIA” . . .

The U.S.’s spying on Al-Jazeera’s internal communication system. . . .

What we know about al-Qaeda efforts to hack our drones. . . .

The NSA’s ability to intercept the e-mail of al-Qaeda operative Hassan Ghul. . . .

The NSA’s ability to read the e-mail of the Mexican president. . . .

The U.S.’s electronic intercepts of communications to French consulates and embassies in New York and Washington. . . .

The existence of NSA surveillance teams in 80 U.S. embassies around the globe . . .

NSA’s spying on OPEC . . .

NSA’s collecting data on the porn habits of Muslim extremist leaders in order to discredit them . . .

. . . none of these stories have much of a tie to Americans’ privacy.


Surveillance, Surveillance: Snowden NSA Controversy

Tags: Jim Geraghty








If he had kept it STRICTLY US Domestic Surveillance...It'd be cool...but he didn't.

As long as nation-states exist, we gotta admit that WE ARE AMERICANS.

I don't even like blind-nationalism like that but there needs to be an honest discussion about loyalty cause it seems like a bunch of people forgot how quickly this shyt can devolve and we forget how cushy our ability to even bytch about dumb shyt online can be.

We need a standard man.

You can't just have cats leaking all sorts of shyt cause they have some sort of "moral hang up" about their jobs.

Some things are on the table...somethings aren't.



Did you go overseas to fight?
 

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:rudy: Miss me with that bullshyt, Snowden is that dude :salute: if you're black (in particular) and have the nerve to use the word "traitor" in regards to America, then I truly don't know what to say....
















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He's a traitor plain and simple. Why? Because he ran into the arms of whoever would take him in.

His asylum hasn't been without debrief.
 

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i think he's a lame. Seems like your typical anti authority dork.

If you found a flaw in that system the only way to change it would be to work your way up and change it from the inside because it's a massive institution. shyt like that can't be changed by yelling at it or exposing the things it's doing wrong. The best thing for him to do is try to influence where he was working some how, although that would probably be impossible, it's the only way.

And the way he went about it was terrible. Just dropping all the information on another creep like glenn greenwald who is another person with hidden agenda's and is just all around catty and goofy. He should be brought back and charged with whatever.
 

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If Snowden is a traitor then what does that make the NSA? They're compromising our liberty.
You're talking about ONE issue though.

We gotta get real man.

We've had more leaks in the past 5 years than the past 100.

And part of that is because all this stuff is on computers now that ANY disgruntled employee can just walk out with on some "i wanna be an anarchist" today shyt.

We have to accept some basic principles here.

We live in nations...not global governments (you can argue if thats what you want or not)

...and if we live in nations, we have national interests and security concerns.

If snowden wants to talk about domestic wiretaps... COOL.

but i'm not cool with the idea of making the USA look like its THE WORST PLACE EVER as if no one else is doing it.

Geopolitics isn't about being nice. Its about being on top.

We gotta recognize that.

I tell ya'll all the time.

How come the most historically seafaring nations (think Europe) no longer have strong navys?

1. WWII

2. The United States.
 
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