Snoop: I wasn’t feeling 2pacs Hit Em up/defends biggie

[kingofnyc]

@kingofnyc not sure ... am kinda torn 50/50 ... Zayd was there sober and seen the whole thing ... he seems pretty convinced dexter wasn’t there ... Zayd said he seen those same individuals involved in the quad studio shyt 2 years later on the same train as him.... dno am but conflicted on it

Yeah, Zayd saw Dexter Isaac’s 2 soldiers JD & Spunk whom was supposedly trying to impress Dexter so they could get down with him to do more or get more work as far as sticking up people and things that nature so yeah they was the ones on the front lines

but Dexter was position by the elevator so maybe that why Zayd didn’t see / notice him
and again it’s pretty much 100% true because lil Cease was the one who said when he got downstairs to lobby as the elevator door opened it was a big looking nikka that flash the 9 mm in his face and told him to go back upstairs and that fits the description of Dexter Isaac

 

[Youngblood Priest]

at being the top rapper in da world - when u gotta to the studio at mid nite to drop a verse for 7g’s

Really?

 

[Nomad1]

Ok ... all am saying nomad .... I firmly believe e money bags told pac some ov the details that went down or what direction it came from ... and he should have done damage control wen he got out of prison ..... majesty said on queensflip that pac wasn’t the type of person to take back his words even if he was wrong ... i totally believe that too much ego ...

Can you link me the interview or article of E Money Bagz saying he told Pac his shooters in prison?
If you can’t find the link then maybe give me a general idea of where you read it or heard it from.
Other than that, I re-read and re-listened to most of the stuff and my opinion is still the same.
You’re focused on the fact that Pac left prison knowing he got him touched, which is fine because that doesn’t change anything. In Against All Odds Pac literally mentioned it in the song, that’s less than a year after he got out of prison correct?
Everything about Biggie was a response by Pac from what he or Puffy have said or done. I already gave you that timeline.
Not sure what the confusion is about.

 

[Nomad1]

Yeah, Zayd saw Dexter Isaac’s 2 soldiers JD & Spunk whom was supposedly trying to impress Dexter so they could get down with him to do more or get more work as far as sticking up people and things that nature so yeah they was the ones on the front lines

but Dexter was position by the elevator so maybe that why Zayd didn’t see / notice him
and again it’s pretty much 100% true because lil Cease was the one who said when he got downstairs to lobby as the elevator door opened it was a big looking nikka that flash the 9 mm in his face and told him to go back upstairs and that fits the description of Dexter Isaac

I believe Zayd when he says Dexter wasn’t one of the shooters. What lil Cease saw doesn’t matter or change things.

 

[Bigsuk]

Can you link me the interview or article of E Money Bagz saying he told Pac his shooters in prison?
If you can’t find the link then maybe give me a general idea of where you read it or heard it from.
Other than that, I re-read and re-listened to most of the stuff and my opinion is still the same.
You’re focused on the fact that Pac left prison knowing he got him touched, which is fine because that doesn’t change anything. In Against All Odds Pac literally mentioned it in the song, that’s less than a year after he got out of prison correct?
Everything about Biggie was a response by Pac from what he or Puffy have said or done. I already gave you that timeline.
Not sure what the confusion is about.

no ... majesty and Zayd said wen e money bags was on the visit with pac with nickels pac turned around n said he felt biggie /junior mafia had something to do with it ... to which e money bags was telling pac what are you talking about no they had nothing to do with it n gave him a run down who set it up etc ...... against all odds came out after pac died ...you still missing the point which most people do .... why didn’t pac do damage control n he knew big had nothing to do with quad or even had knowledge....he deffo ran with it for a motive ... even majesty on queensflip said he knows pac he’s not the type of person to take his words and so he ran with it but he didn’t think it was gona go that far .....

 

[Bigsuk]

Yeah, Zayd saw Dexter Isaac’s 2 soldiers JD & Spunk whom was supposedly trying to impress Dexter so they could get down with him to do more or get more work as far as sticking up people and things that nature so yeah they was the ones on the front lines

but Dexter was position by the elevator so maybe that why Zayd didn’t see / notice him
and again it’s pretty much 100% true because lil Cease was the one who said when he got downstairs to lobby as the elevator door opened it was a big looking nikka that flash the 9 mm in his face and told him to go back upstairs and that fits the description of Dexter Isaac

Could be bro ... like I said am torn 50/50 .... yeah Zayd said he saw 2 of there robbers/shooters on the same train he was on 2 years down the line wonder if they clocked Zayd was on the same train as them ....I want man-man aka Charles fuller to do an interview he could clear more stuff up about the rape situation/Haitian jack/Ayana Jackson situation..... vlad said to muta recently he spoke to fuller but didn’t wana be on camera n he’s living in Oakland ...

 

[spliz]

no ... majesty and Zayd said wen e money bags was on the visit with pac with nickels pac turned around n said he felt biggie /junior mafia had something to do with it ... to which e money bags was telling pac what are you talking about no they had nothing to do with it n gave him a run down who set it up etc ...... against all odds came out after pac died ...you still missing the point which most people do .... why didn’t pac do damage control n he knew big had nothing to do with quad or even had knowledge....he deffo ran with it for a motive ... even majesty on queensflip said he knows pac he’s not the type of person to take his words and so he ran with it but he didn’t think it was gona go that far .....

Fam Against All Odds was gonna release whether he died or not. Makaveli is not considered a posthumous album because it was already done by the time Pac got killed. He already recorded music videos for it and all that.

 

[Youngblood Priest]

Truth is, fukk bad boy. I dont care if Pac was wrong, he had his reasons.. I thought Pac said he know who shyt him,he just went at the pussies, cuz they were p*ssy. They were affiliated with the shooter's, so they ended up being targets themselve . Yall nikkaz pick and choose what yall want to take from Pac. How any of u nikkaz know what the fukk was going on? Yall nikkaz dont know. Everyone involved has their reasons for saying or telling whatever version of this drama that they perceive. The only person who know what Pac was thinking when all this shyt happened is Pac. Put yourself in his shoes. Wtf would any of you nikkaz do? How would all you hard ass street nikkaz react? The truth is big wasnt as innocent as yall portray he was. Yea, Pac may have not had all the info, but yall cannot CAN'T, say what his reaction should have been. He felt the way he felt. Wrong or right, he believed what he believed. Yall nikkaz corny as fukk.

 

[Youngblood Priest]

To be fair, I would see that as a line of defense instead of disrespect, dudes came from out west disrespecting the east/kicking over buildings and etc, in the OPs own hood. They were asking to get shot at

Now Biggie pollying in Cali after Pacs death and etc thats different. Biggie got popped in cali so

Bruh u stupid. They went to pay homage. The kicking buildings over came after the shots.

 

[Nomad1]

no ... majesty and Zayd said wen e money bags was on the visit with pac with nickels pac turned around n said he felt biggie /junior mafia had something to do with it ... to which e money bags was telling pac what are you talking about no they had nothing to do with it n gave him a run down who set it up etc ...... against all odds came out after pac died ...you still missing the point which most people do .... why didn’t pac do damage control n he knew big had nothing to do with quad or even had knowledge....he deffo ran with it for a motive ... even majesty on queensflip said he knows pac he’s not the type of person to take his words and so he ran with it but he didn’t think it was gona go that far .....

Breh it doesn’t matter if AAO was released before or after he passed that was a response that came out 9 months after he was released from prison...

As for what E Money Bagz said, it doesn’t change anything, Pac said in the Vibe interview he wasn’t sure who had him touched, which then is confirmed by what you said Zayd said in that YT response to you...

Now you say damage control but like I pointed out Pac was responding to things Biggie had done (who shot ya, radio interview etc) He also never said Biggie had him robbed and shot.

What exactly would you have wanted Pac to do in the 9 months he was on Death Row?

“Now I got my money right, now I want war” seems like a response to me...

 

[Yehuda]

Suge and his goons tricked Eazy to go to a hotel room. Apparently Dre called him and said he wanted to meet. But Dre wasn't there. Suge and the goons were.
But they didn't beat him up. Eazy signed a bunch of cartoon names...Daffy Duck, Mickey Mouse, stuff like that. Suge and them never bothered to see what he was signing.

 

[Bigsuk]

Breh it doesn’t matter if AAO was released before or after he passed that was a response that came out 9 months after he was released from prison...

As for what E Money Bagz said, it doesn’t change anything, Pac said in the Vibe interview he wasn’t sure who had him touched, which then is confirmed by what you said Zayd said in that YT response to you...

Now you say damage control but like I pointed out Pac was responding to things Biggie had done (who shot ya, radio interview etc) He also never said Biggie had him robbed and shot.

What exactly would you have wanted Pac to do in the 9 months he was on Death Row?

“Now I got my money right, now I want war” seems like a response to me...

Come on now .... he was insinuating biggie n them knew about it before hand constantly talking about it .... can’t act like he wasn’t nomad .... That’s enough for people to think biggie was guilty of some Role your acting like he never said anything .... and he was flat out lieing in vibe about no one would look at him or help him wen he got upstairs .... gully just interviewed a producer who was there that night n he told what really happened .... and he said pac was a good dude didn’t have any malice towards him ....

 

[Bigsuk]

don’t believe that .... he did sign his real name ..... suge wrote down on a piece of paper where eazy e mother lived and passed it to eazy that was enough to scare him enough to sign it ... the next day or so eazy e filed a Rico lawsuit against suge/dre/deathrow ..... I know people make suge this mythical tough guy bully which is false .... but they do the same with eazy e like he couldn’t be touched which is bullshyt .... suges actul goons didn’t take eazy e serious at all don’t believe all that bullshyt.... don’t believe bias stories from eazy e son or bg knoccout ... bg didn’t even know eazy e .. and bg was the one who said it wasn’t pac who stepped to baby lane first at least people from suges side tell the truth about suges Image or toughness been a lot of myth .....on eazy es side they make him out to be this super tough goon .... I don’t care what any of them say ... i dno which piru goons were there wen suge n them confronted eazy E but if he had Nikkas like bountry al or George Williams there with him eazy would have been scared to death ....

 

[Nomad1]

Come on now .... he was insinuating biggie n them knew about it before hand constantly talking about it .... can’t act like he wasn’t nomad .... That’s enough for people to think biggie was guilty of some Role your acting like he never said anything .... and he was flat out lieing in vibe about no one would look at him or help him wen he got upstairs .... gully just interviewed a producer who was there that night n he told what really happened .... and he said pac was a good dude didn’t have any malice towards him ....

Now I mean this in a non-disrespectful way, but there's this narrative you keep pushing for years and your gripe with why "Pac was throwing Biggie and Puffy into the mix", when Biggie/Puffy released who shot ya which the timing of the song can be interpreted as a diss. I've said this a bunch of times, Pac went too hard on Biggie but Biggie and Puffy didn't do themselves a favour by almost getting DPG/Snoop killed, ordering hits on chains, aligning themselves with Crips in LA, Puffy having a hand in Pac's demise.

The problem that you have is you talk about a single issue and ignore everything else that happened. Another example is Suge having a beef with Puffy before Pac landed on DR, dont you think that had a hand in how Pac handled his beef with Biggie? There's too many obvious factors that I keep repeating.

Pac called out Jimmy on Against All Odds and you dismiss it by saying "well he died", what type of logic is that? We know he died, do you think Pac's ghost is able to make more songs dissing Jimmy and Haitian Jack? He responded 9 months into being with DR, is that not fast enough for you? He named the people involved and never uttered Biggie's name, what more do you want?

I just seen the video you're talking about, the one with Bryce Wilson (the producer that knew Pac and was at the Quad studio when the shootings happened). He hasn't said anything that debunked anything Pac said during the Vibe interviews.

1. "Pac was accusing Jimmy of setting him up...Jimmy told Pac 'what are you talking about? Lets get you an ambulance'"
2. "I remember Stretch took Fred out to get Pac an ambulance...I remember Pac's man was really worried about Pac"

How does that mean what Pac said is a "lie"? Bryce Wilson never said anything about Puffy, Andre, or the others that were there, looking at him and trying to help. He said Jimmy denied setting Pac up, tried to get him an ambulance, and Stretch tried to help with that too. That's all he mentioned in specifics about some of the people that were there.

Also, Gully said Pac was implicating 4-5 people on Hit Em Up which is also false, and Gully was leading Bryce into a false question.

That's the problem that I have with some of the stuff you say. Some of what you say is true and can be corroborated with facts, by the other half is stuff is conclusions that dont come from a logical argument, half-truths, events with no context, hyperbolic statements. Like the Bryce Wilson interview is a perfect example, he says stuff and then you say it debunks what Pac said in the Vibe interview when it actually doesn't. It's just weird when I look at those two sources of information for myself, because it's obvious what he says and doesn't say.

Here's the Bryce Wilson interview if anyone wanted to see it:

 

[Bigsuk]

Now I mean this in a non-disrespectful way, but there's this narrative you keep pushing for years and your gripe with why "Pac was throwing Biggie and Puffy into the mix", when Biggie/Puffy released who shot ya which the timing of the song can be interpreted as a diss. I've said this a bunch of times, Pac went too hard on Biggie but Biggie and Puffy didn't do themselves a favour by almost getting DPG/Snoop killed, ordering hits on chains, aligning themselves with Crips in LA, Puffy having a hand in Pac's demise.

The problem that you have is you talk about a single issue and ignore everything else that happened. Another example is Suge having a beef with Puffy before Pac landed on DR, dont you think that had a hand in how Pac handled his beef with Biggie? There's too many obvious factors that I keep repeating.

Pac called out Jimmy on Against All Odds and you dismiss it by saying "well he died", what type of logic is that? We know he died, do you think Pac's ghost is able to make more songs dissing Jimmy and Haitian Jack? He responded 9 months into being with DR, is that not fast enough for you? He named the people involved and never uttered Biggie's name, what more do you want?

I just seen the video you're talking about, the one with Bryce Wilson (the producer that knew Pac and was at the Quad studio when the shootings happened). He hasn't said anything that debunked anything Pac said during the Vibe interviews.

1. "Pac was accusing Jimmy of setting him up...Jimmy told Pac 'what are you talking about? Lets get you an ambulance'"
2. "I remember Stretch took Fred out to get Pac an ambulance...I remember Pac's man was really worried about Pac"

How does that mean what Pac said is a "lie"? Bryce Wilson never said anything about Puffy, Andre, or the others that were there, looking at him and trying to help. He said Jimmy denied setting Pac up, tried to get him an ambulance, and Stretch tried to help with that too. That's all he mentioned in specifics about some of the people that were there.

Also, Gully said Pac was implicating 4-5 people on Hit Em Up which is also false, and Gully was leading Bryce into a false question.

That's the problem that I have with some of the stuff you say. Some of what you say is true and can be corroborated with facts, by the other half is stuff is conclusions that dont come from a logical argument, half-truths, events with no context, hyperbolic statements. Like the Bryce Wilson interview is a perfect example, he says stuff and then you say it debunks what Pac said in the Vibe interview when it actually doesn't. It's just weird when I look at those two sources of information for myself, because it's obvious what he says and doesn't say.

Here's the Bryce Wilson interview if anyone wanted to see it:

Bryce basically said pac turned into a different person in split seconds nomad .... the lie is pac was saying no one helped him wouldn’t look at him which is false ....... as far as suge n puffy beef that’s still some sus shyt to do to run with something that isn’t true Especially wen he was told by e money bags , I already said biggie was very irresponsible for doing that on the radio.... the chain bounty was never proven ... outlawz and certain pirus heard about it but even Greg Kading speaking to vlad and wen I asked him on makaveliboard wen Greg used to come on says he doesn’t know for a fact that the chain bounty thing is true or not ..... rumours go around same way the rumour went around that “biggie “ had Tupac killed back in the day ....