Snoop Dogg calls out today's rappers for sampling other artists hit songs and f*cking it up.

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Peep Dre face when snoop said that bullshyt lmao

He even said “we did that too” before letting snoop say that dumb shyt…

You think everyone was happy with how Dre remixed the hits? That look he has tell me he heard similar things when he was sampling back then lol
Dre wasn't sampling already established rappers

These were primarily tracks from different genres, for them to feel a way about it makes sense because they don't make rap so the energy is completely different.

You pretending you don't understand Snoop is talking about these people out here sampling top 40 rap songs from the 90s-00s that plenty of people still recognize easily, it's not the same at all

the rule of thumb is to sample from a different genre unless it's really obscure
 

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Did yall even watch the video? They both addressed that. And they were right. 100%. Matter fact. I feel like hip hop is too busy sampling other hip hop. Hip hop artists in the past had an appreciation for the music prior to hip hop like soul music, funk, rnb etc etc. So they were putting a new spin on the samples that wasn't there before. Thats damn near ENTIRELY missing today. Cats like Dre would go and actually get the funk artists and have them replay and interpolate the samples as well. There was musicianship and appreciation. Cats like Havoc would flip a sample so crazy the shyt wouldn't even be discovered until like 20 years later. Thats one thing someone like Kendrick does and it's so rare that it's extremely noticeable which is why he gets so much praise for doing so. It's not many artists willing to do what he's doing. Kanye used to. But he's nuts. Tyler does. Which is why he stands out as well.
It’s bad when you have some of these artists (not necessarily rap…could be pop) sampling a hip hop or r&b artist’s song and they probably don’t even know THAT song was sampled from an original source. A lot of these young people simply don’t have an appreciation of the past. Don’t even know who James Brown or Sam Cooke are. Both of those artists are from before my time, and I still know and love their music. Meanwhile, a high school kid doesn’t even know a song by someone like Brandy or Boyz II Men.
 

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Snoop literally said what I've said in here many times, verbatim. Hip-Hop's relationship to reinterpolations has typically been taking a great song production of year's past and then simply having someone replicate or offer a play on the original chorus while inserting rap verses between. This often resulted in watering down the original song ... As nothing of creative merit was added to the SONGWRITING

The great's built and expanded upon the samples they touched on

Rappin 4 Tay when he sampled I'll Be Around - what a lofty task, to build and expand upon THAT song .... Tupac did this often

This is different then your song coming out like a half-baked tribute to the original - where you added nothing


From an element of songwriting,

I've posted this before, and you can see how readily I can summon a full understanding of the subject right here, whereas many will hear what he just said and beyond perceiving the words they will have no perspective on what was said


It brings me a sense of validation to realize I have the same perspective that some of the most successful people in this field do :obama:


Finding examples of ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ my mentions of this subject

Had no idea Alchemist is a west coast producer

Quik is all of NWA in one

Dr. Dre’s most impactful work is reinterpolations of classic funk music from 20 years prior played out by session players in world class studios, this combined with a penchant for perfectionism is Dr. Dre

Quik is the same but he also writes his own raps

This is different than music producers that are entirely self-contained making music on an MPC.

Breh I understand that Doggystyle has its place in pantheon of great albums in hip-hop but let’’s stay out of subjective territory, stop talking paradigms and deal with the facts. Doggystyle is a manufactured collaborative effort that is carried by more valuable sample clearances than Khayree was able to manage

It’s a mixtape with raps over reinterpolations of George Clinton and Bootsy Collins work done by quality studio musicians. The singles were written. The DOC and a cast of other unknown writers, on the songs that they had no intention of putting on the radio you might’ve heard some legitimate lyrics from Snoop that likely came from a freestyle


That’s just how the cookie crumbles breh, see game

In fact breh, if you wanna go track for track line for line we can do that right here

Think about this ... I have the same birthday as Dr. Dre. My first rap concert I attended was the Up In Smoke Tour in Worcester, MA - I was 8 years old, still have yet to see a better show in my life

My debut album was 12 songs with 7 music video, entirely funded by a 22 year old version of myself. At the time I could have used the money for hotel rooms but I was often sleeping in my car

Many of my songs left the studio without me even hearing the verse takes played back to me because I simply needed to make sure it was done within my allocated studio time of about 3 hours or less for each song. That's about 36 hours for the whole album. Studio rates ranged from $40 to $55 an hour

Every dollar spent was a substraction of comfort in other areas of my life

Imagine if Dr. Dre ever worked with a budget constraint - perhaps with all of genius he would have been a little bit more focused on what he actually wanted to get done rather than his style of 10 hour sessions of what are essentially ranging between reinterpolations to sound designs that splinter and become things he loses motivation to work on


The issue is that studio time was too abundant for him - he doesn't value it. It's psychological

It is like if you print dollars, the more you print the less the dollars are worth


Breh this is the truth and Dre should’ve at least collaborated with George Clinton moving forward

If I were him I would’ve used my industry weight to return his publishing rights to him - if that didn’t work I’d buy them and return them myself


but it’s likely his grand kids would inevitably sell it back or the industry would be using songs like “she’s brickhouse” instead of “Atomic Dog” or “Flashlight”

I realize that’s above and beyond what most would do but he could’ve at least collaborated with him more moving forwars or sit in on some jam sessions and isolate the pieces of ORIGINAL music he’d like to work with


There sre examples of great sample flips bur we are mainly talking about reinterpolations played out by dedicated sessions musicians with an unlimited budget to pursue perfection with
 

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Hip hop has always been built on sampling
It wasn't built on sampling other rap songs to make a wacker rap song! :mjlol:


It was built on sampling other genres and making a fire rap song.:unimpressed:
 

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Did yall even watch the video? They both addressed that. And they were right. 100%. Matter fact. I feel like hip hop is too busy sampling other hip hop. Hip hop artists in the past had an appreciation for the music prior to hip hop like soul music, funk, rnb etc etc. So they were putting a new spin on the samples that wasn't there before. Thats damn near ENTIRELY missing today. Cats like Dre would go and actually get the funk artists and have them replay and interpolate the samples as well. There was musicianship and appreciation. Cats like Havoc would flip a sample so crazy the shyt wouldn't even be discovered until like 20 years later. Thats one thing someone like Kendrick does and it's so rare that it's extremely noticeable which is why he gets so much praise for doing so. It's not many artists willing to do what he's doing. Kanye used to. But he's nuts. Tyler does. Which is why he stands out as well.
Of course they didn't watch the video. It was 2:19 which is too long for them. Much easier just to hate than actually understanding the context
 

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It wasn't built on sampling other rap songs to make a wacker rap song! :mjlol:


It was built on sampling other genres and making a fire rap song.:unimpressed:
Well that depends on who you're asking. Cats our age in the early 90s thought hip hop was trash and used to always say the rappers were messing up perfect songs.
 
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