SI: Tim Duncan hates Kevin Garnett

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:aicmon: How you hate me over shyt I say about sports on a message board? I'm not a fanboy, I'm objective. I'd say Duncan is the best big man of the post-MJ era, though you can definitely argue Shaq, and I'd put both of them behind Olajuwon.

Rip me to shreds about what? KG is not the caliber of player of Duncan, period. That's common prevailing opinion among knowledgeable fans, players, and coaches.

You're a Spurs fan. Quite frankly I hate you all. The notion that everything he did before '08 is forgettable is ridiculous, but hey, you got a PF to defend. I can't knock it even if think the opinion is laughable.
 

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KG had enough help to get out of the 1st round, b. We're not talking about conference titles. Round 1.

When?

When they lost to the Olajuwon /Drexler Rockets in '97? No.
When they lost to the 61-21 Sonics in '98? No. (and we were close. shyt could have changed so much had we won Game 5)
When they lost to the Twin Towers Spurs in '99? No.
When they lost to that deep ass Portland team in 2000? No.
When they lost to the same Spurs team in 2001? No.
When they lost to Dirk/Nash/Finley Mavs in '02? No (and admittedly they shoulda did better here all things considered).
When they lost to the defending champion Lakers in '03? (probably our best shot we had and we drew Shaq and Kobe cuz they were slackin that year)

They had home court advantage once, and that was in '03. Even in hindsight, none of the teams they played were matchups you look back on and say "damn, Minny shoulda won that." If you think Wally Szczerbiak was gonna be enough, then I can't help you there. That franchise from the top down was (and still is) tragically flawed.
 

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Duncan shyts on kg in every way.

Kg couldn't wear Duncan's jockstrap
 

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:laugh: @ anyone dissing KG. In his prime, KG was considered the best player in the NBA and was viewed as a revolutionary player at the 4-5 spot. :wtb:

What the fukk is wrong with some of y'all?:what:

This......................


Thats why I quit posting, let people continue to live in their fantasy world though
 

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When?

When they lost to the Olajuwon /Drexler Rockets in '97? No.
When they lost to the 61-21 Sonics in '98? No. (and we were close. shyt could have changed so much had we won Game 5)
When they lost to the Twin Towers Spurs in '99? No.
When they lost to that deep ass Portland team in 2000? No.
When they lost to the same Spurs team in 2001? No.
When they lost to Dirk/Nash/Finley Mavs in '02? No (and admittedly they shoulda did better here all things considered).
When they lost to the defending champion Lakers in '03? (probably our best shot we had and we drew Shaq and Kobe cuz they were slackin that year)

They had home court advantage once, and that was in '03. Even in hindsight, none of the teams they played were matchups you look back on and say "damn, Minny shoulda won that." If you think Wally Szczerbiak was gonna be enough, then I can't help you there. That franchise from the top down was (and still is) tragically flawed.

Again, we're not talking about conference titles. We're talking about the 1st round.

Were they always the lower seed? Yes. But how do they come up with the seeding?

Exactly. Pathetic.

KG, McGrady, Melo... these guys are/were stars, not superstars.
 

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Were they always the lower seed? Yes. But how do they come up with the seeding?

Who's responsible for how the team is formed? You just made my point for me. It's on management first and foremost. There is no player that makes that team better than what it was. Not Duncan, not Shaq, not anybody, and that would be because...
 

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You're a Spurs fan. Quite frankly I hate you all. The notion that everything he did before '08 is forgettable is ridiculous, but hey, you got a PF to defend. I can't knock it even if think the opinion is laughable.

Forgettable =/= garbage or unimpressive. Everyone knows KG on Minnesota was a beast, but the question was his lasting legacy in the eyes of fans. Garnett only got out of the first round once and had no memorable playoff games or moments on Minnesota. So unless you're a Timberwolves fan, KG's career before 08 was forgettable, sorry. If it wasn't for the Boston trade, his "legacy" would be about the same as Tracy McGrady's...disappointment and underachievement.
 

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Lol @ some of these posts. Hilarious. The best one was whoever that suggested that Pierce legacy is greater than KG's. Are you kidding me? Garnett has been the Celtics best player since he got there and still is. Garnetts primes are one of the greatest all-time.
 

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Lol @ some of these posts. Hilarious. The best one was whoever that suggested that Pierce legacy is greater than KG's. Are you kidding me? Garnett has been the Celtics best player since he got there and still is. Garnetts primes are one of the greatest all-time.

Once again, I never said Pierce was better. Legacy and who's better are two different things. Reggie Miller has more of a legacy than Mitch Richmond but he wasn't a better player.
 

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In order for kg to win he had to be put around Allen and pierce.. Two superstars.

Duncan did it through him... Duncan was just a god in his prime.
 

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Who's responsible for how the team is formed? You just made my point for me. It's on management first and foremost. There is no player that makes that team better than what it was. Not Duncan, not Shaq, not anybody, and that would be because...

Well if your point is that he came up short in the regular season as well, annually putting him in an uphill battle in the playoffs, then I guess I did make your point for you.

KG had enough talent around him to win a series. Again, not a chip, a series.

Now McGrady had no help in Orlando. LeBron had no help in Cleveland. This nikka KG played alongside all-stars in their prime and came up empty handed every year but 1.

Pitiful.
 

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Let's just pre-emptively dead this conversation before it even starts. Yeah, David Robinson was a great player, but he was clearly past his prime and lost some explosiveness. He was 34 when Duncan won his first ring. But he was still a very good player. However, their back court was Avery Johnson and a 36 year old Mario Elie. Think about that for a second. Duncan won a ring with a back court of Avery Johnson and a 36 year old Mario Elie.

On the 2nd one, Duncan pretty much just carried that team on his back. They had no viable consistent 2nd scoring option. The 2nd highest scorer on that team was David Robinson, 38 years old and averaging 13 points. That team wasn't much better than any of the Minnesota teams Garnett played with. It's not like Garnett had nobody. He had Wally Scerbiak, Billups, Gugliotta, Marbury, and Sprewell. Even Troy Hudson got off in the playoffs one time. Yet somehow Duncan kept getting rings and WCF appearances and Garnett kept losing in the first round.

Much is made of Parker and Ginobili, but let's not act like they were always all-star caliber players and didn't take development. The only time Duncan won with those two both being consistent all-around threats was 07. Ginobili came into his own in about 05. Before that he was an erratic spark plug off the bench who make some spectacular plays occasionally and a lot of wild, reckless mistakes too. Parker didn't develop a jumpshot until 07. Before that, he was just a slasher...a good slasher, but one-dimensional. That's why in 03 he got benched in the finals in favor of Speedy fukking Claxton, and in 04, the Lakers doubled Duncan and dared him to shoot open shots and he couldn't hit shyt.

The one constant was Duncan...he got it done 4 times with different supporting casts. KG couldn't carry a team as the man floating around the perimeter, playing euro ball shooting 18 foot rainbows. He didn't really start putting in work on the block consistently until he got on the Celtics. Let's not even talk about how Dirk abused him in the 03 playoffs. Dirk SONNED him...averaged 33 and 16 and was dunking on him and shooting jumpers in his face and they swept him. KG might be the GOAT 2nd option.

That's a better debate...KG vs. Dirk. And at this point, I'd put Dirk over him based on how he carried that team of aging role players to a title last year. If you want to talk about who's the best player since MJ retired, Duncan, Kobe, or Shaq, that's a conversation to have. Duncan vs. KG? Nah...not debatable.

YOU ARE SEVERELY DOWN PLAYING POPOVICH...
IN FACT YOU DIDNT EVEN MENTION HIM IN THAT LONG AS POST,
WHILE YOU CLAIM DUNCAN IS THE "ONE" CONSTANT...
TIMMY AINT ELITE NO MORE,
BUT SA HAS HAD THE NUMBER 1 SEED 2 YEARS IN A ROW.
IF KG & DUNCAN SWAPPED COACHES, WOULD THEIR CAREERS PLAYED OUT THE SAME?

I LOVE DUNCAN, BUT I SEE THINGS WITH OBJECTIVE EYES.

HOW MANY PLAYERS IN LEAGUE HISTORY HAS AN MVP & DPOY ON THEIR MANTLE?

YOU SAYING KG HAS NO LEGACY IS PURE STAN shyt.
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Once again, I never said Pierce was better. Legacy and who's better are two different things. Reggie Miller has more of a legacy than Mitch Richmond but he wasn't a better player.

I know what you said and it's still a mind-boggling statement.
 

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In order for kg to win he had to be put around Allen and pierce.. Two superstars.

Duncan did it through him... Duncan was just a god in his prime.

Duncan won with a 38 year old David Robinson being the 2nd leading scorer at 13 ppg and a 20 year old non-shooting, non-passing Tony Parker who got benched for Speedy Claxton in the finals as his PG. And he put up a 20/20 near quadruple double in a finals closeout game. If he can do that, KG gets no pass for all those first round exits.
 
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