Shogun (FX/Hulu) - February 2024 :ohhh:

[VBM]

Hope the anjin died in that explosion or at the very least got some shrapnel in his throat so he's unable to speak ever again

Just so he can pillow with Mariko in the afterlife?! Nah...

 

[Black Mamba]

MARIKO SAMAAAAAA

 

[jay211]

Major artery above/behind the clavicle. Train to focus, regulate your breathing and pulse, even in the midst of whatever else is going on, using your body to keep accurate time.

I'm confused. Can you explain further what the tapping was about?

 

[King Static X]

I'm confused. Can you explain further what the tapping was about?

I found an explanation. The shoulder tapping by the shinobi leader was definitely about "keeping time. Counting off the seconds for the different stages of the assault. It's exactly the same in the book."

Excerpt from the book: "The leader did not watch them go, but kept his eyes on Yabu and began a slow finger count with his left hand. 'One...two...three..."

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I'm confused. Can you explain further what the tapping was about?

I looked on reddit, looks like he was tapping his shoulder to keep time for the 2nd wave to enter for the assault

 

[LiveFromLondon]

Toranaga knew he sent her on a crash dummy mission, which then begs the question, why all the political manoeuvring if a battle is whats gonna decide everyones fate. Might aswell just have a show of battle after battle. I do hope they've something up their sleeve to tie all this political stuff in

 

[Roid Jones]

Mariko gave them a bar... then told them she wouldn't be at the battle

Then funk flex dropped the bomb on her

 

[Black Magisterialness]

I'm confused. Can you explain further what the tapping was about?

He was keeping time for the 2nd wave of ninjas to come in. So like wave 1 now, in 30 taps wave 2.

 

[KalKal]

Toranaga knew he sent her on a crash dummy mission, which then begs the question, why all the political manoeuvring if a battle is whats gonna decide everyones fate. Might aswell just have a show of battle after battle. I do hope they've something up their sleeve to tie all this political stuff in

He needs as many of the families of the other "hostages" on his side in order to win any battles. So he needs to prove to them how 'oppressed' they all are under the current leader

 

[EzekelRAGE]

why all the political manoeuvring if a battle is whats gonna decide everyones fate. Might aswell just have a show of battle after battle. I do hope they've something up their sleeve to tie all this political stuff in

He had to do all this political maneuvering to break up the alliance of the regents and also sway public opinion.
If he started the series with battle at first, he then wouldve been going against the regents united under Ishido. Now he done broke up that alliance, done had Ishido kill one of the og regents, public opinion is against him, etc.

Those original 5 regents (Ohno/Sugi/Ishido/Kiyi/Taranago) were the top generals in the land. Ishido killed Sugi. With the Mariko stuff playing out the way it did, the christian regents (Kiyi/Ohno) will probably side with Taranago now, they were already against Ishido after he held him and their family hostage. The two new regents are small time, especially the actor dude they got before putting Saeki on there.

 

[BlackAchilles]

I might have to binge the whole show again this weekend before the finale

 

[Arianne Martell]

Makes me wonder, if Toranaga expected Ishido to publicly say she could leave, then secretly have her killed, did he instruct Yabushige to do what he did? Or just know he would?

he probably knew Yabu was going to...or maybe he didnt account on that other play...we will see

 

[Black Magisterialness]

Toranaga knew he sent her on a crash dummy mission, which then begs the question, why all the political manoeuvring if a battle is whats gonna decide everyones fate. Might aswell just have a show of battle after battle. I do hope they've something up their sleeve to tie all this political stuff in

Because if he went head up he'd get destroyed. It was stated MANY times that he didn't have the largest army, and that was cut in half during the earthquake in Izu. This is why he even reached out to his brother in the first place. And that plan fell apart.

So he needed a way to erode the chokehold Ishido had on the other council members and their armies. Now the vibes in Osaka are all fukked, because it's going to be widely know that Ishido had a noblewoman killed for simply wanting to fulfil her master's wishes which is a HUGE violation of their customs. Especially for something as innocuous as just leaving.

He's no longer going to have their military support, even if they are confined to the castle. So now Toranaga can actually fight on level footing or even have the advantage because Ishido will have to be wary of both the attack AND the knives at his back.

As I said in a previous post. The whole show Toranaga is using their cultural norms and expectations against them. The ONLY one that peeped it was the Portuguese dude, because subterfuge/betrayal is more of a European thing. It's also why everyone things Yabushige is an idiot, because every time he THINKS he's making a savvy move he ends up in a much more perilous position or the exact opposite of his intent goes down.

If Mariko woulda committed seppuku, it would have been DIRECTLY because Ishido didn't let her do her job basically. But what ended up happening is MUCH worse, because now multiple people saw him give her clearance IN PERSON, and a mere hours later she's blown to bits in her death robe (which should have tipped us off because, you ONLY wear that kind of kimono when you are dead or about to die and she kept it on even after Ishido stopped her).

It's a MASSIVE miscalculation.

 

[Carl Tethers]

Hope the anjin died in that explosion or at the very least got some shrapnel in his throat so he's unable to speak ever again

Nah, knock-off Taboo still pillowing with every whore in edo

 

[Arianne Martell]

Because if he went head up he'd get destroyed. It was stated MANY times that he didn't have the largest army, and that was cut in half during the earthquake in Izu. This is why he even reached out to his brother in the first place. And that plan fell apart.

So he needed a way to erode the chokehold Ishido had on the other council members and their armies. Now the vibes in Osaka are all fukked, because it's going to be widely know that Ishido had a noblewoman killed for simply wanting to fulfil her master's wishes which is a HUGE violation of their customs. Especially for something as innocuous as just leaving.

He's no longer going to have their military support, even if they are confined to the castle. So now Toranaga can actually fight on level footing or even have the advantage because Ishido will have to be wary of both the attack AND the knives at his back.

As I said in a previous post. The whole show Toranaga is using their cultural norms and expectations against them. The ONLY one that peeped it was the Portuguese dude, because subterfuge/betrayal is more of a European thing. It's also why everyone things Yabushige is an idiot, because every time he THINKS he's making a savvy move he ends up in a much more perilous position or the exact opposite of his intent goes down.

If Mariko woulda committed seppuku, it would have been DIRECTLY because Ishido didn't let her do her job basically. But what ended up happening is MUCH worse, because now multiple people saw him give her clearance IN PERSON, and a mere hours later she's blown to bits in her death robe (which should have tipped us off because, you ONLY wear that kind of kimono when you are dead or about to die and she kept it on even after Ishido stopped her).

It's a MASSIVE miscalculation.

this breh spittin'