Serious: Why wouldn’t a Black American Share More In Common Culturally With A White American over an African?

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pan africans are the biggest c00ns in the diaspora lol

most of us have some (few) white colleagues/neighbors/acquaintances.

so i ain’t gotta test this online

this is true for everyone everywhere. everyone shares more in contact w their countrymen then others.

which is why whether you’re black or white

super bowl sunday with a beer and wings is happening across the country

you pannies don’t have monopoly on “real black thought” btw. u nikkas are destructive c00ns
Dysfunctional pannyism is the worst

Comprised of dodo bird negroes looking elsewhere to validate their existence, when it can be found right here in the 400+ tangible.

Most of our ancestors here……had ancestors in North America. This is where our ethni genesis took place thus the most pertinent placement for “sense of self” and our ethni-lineage based identity

Dodos like to leap frog over this. Because they never gave the idea of ethnicity and lineage much thought. There epitome identity placement layed in blanket blackness . The real reason why these la la land negroes are mad about fba-ados
 

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This isn’t true on a country-wide scale, maybe locally/regionally and even then areas are still largely segregated
 

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Yeah, through our enslaved mulatto ancestors.

Most of the mulattos who went to Liberia were born free or set free. I think the first President of the country was like that.


He was born free but him mom or grandmom was a slave he’s still FBA
 

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That's irrelevant. Their entire cultural identity was shaped by the American experience.

You telling me this brotha right here...The second president of Liberia Stephen Allen Benson, born in Maryland isn't *Really* black?

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Or this man Edward James Roye...The fifth president of liberia born in Newark, Ohio isn't a "Black american"?

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How was their identity shaped by the American experience when many of them didn't experience Reconstruction, Jim Crow, CRM? Hell, many of them didn't even experience slavery, like the first man you posted. Being dark-skinned and born here doesn't mean anything. At best you can consider them early-stage BAs, but they're not our ancestors, nor are they same as BAs during the late 1800s and 20th century.



There is a huge misconception that African-Americans aka Black Americans who are DOS -- migrated to Liberia and caused all types of issues. But, that is simply not true.

Black Americans who were enslaved were NOT --- and in no large numbers in --- nor did they move to Liberia. It was "Free People of Color" -- another distinction/classification from Black people who were enslaved. Most were born free or became free in the early 1800's.

The bulk and majority of Black people there were not Freedman who went after slavery was abolished in 1865. Black Americans who were enslaved fiercely pushed back and said they were not interested in going to Liberia - or anywhere else outside of the US. They were 2-3 generations Americans at that point -- they knew nothing about Africa.

So, who went then?:

These people were successful "free people of color" -- another class at that time which was separate from Black people who were enslaved -- some of them also owned Black slaves. Some of them weren't even Black American - they immigrated to America by choice --and were "free" and wanted in on the Liberia action. They went to Liberia between the 1830's-1850's. Slavery wasn't abolished until 1865.


Although some freed American slaves did settle there, Liberia was actually founded by the American Colonization Society, a group of white Americans—including some slaveholders—that had what certainly can be described as mixed motives. In 1817, in Washington, D.C., the ACS established the new colony (on a tract of land in West Africa purchased from local tribes) in hopes that slaves, once emancipated, would move there. The society preferred this option to the alternative: a growing number of free black Americans demanding rights, jobs, and resources at home.​
When the first settlers were relocated to Liberia in 1822, the plan drew immediate criticism on several fronts. Many leaders in the black community publicly attacked it, asking why free blacks should have to emigrate from the country where they, their parents, and even their grandparents were born. Meanwhile, slave owners in the South vigorously denounced the plan as an assault on their slave economy.​
Abolitionist resistance to colonization grew steadily. In 1832, as the ACS began to send agents to England to raise funds for what they touted as a benevolent plan, William Lloyd Garrison revved up the opposition with a 236-page book on the evils of colonization and sent abolitionists to England to track down and counter ACS supporters.​
But the scheme had some fans. Slave states like Maryland and Virginia were already home to a significant number of free blacks, and whites there—still reeling from Nat Turner's 1831 rebellion, which emancipated slaves had a hand in—formed local colonization societies. Thus encouraged, Maryland legislators passed a law in 1832 that required any slave freed after that date to leave the state and specifically offered passage to a part of Liberia administered by the Maryland State Colonization Society. However, enforcement provisions lacked teeth, and many Marylanders forgot their antipathy to free blacks when they needed extra hands at harvest time. There is no evidence that any freed African-American was forcibly sent to Liberia from Maryland or anywhere else.​

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Each year the nation's slave population rose by 50,000, but in 1830, the American Colonization Society persuaded just 259 free blacks to migrate to Liberia, bringing the total number of blacks colonized in Africa to just 1,400. Digital History

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Besides Clay, the attendees included James Monroe, Bushrod Washington​
(nephew of George Washington), Daniel Webster, Andrew Jackson and Francis Scott Key, to name just a few of the prominent people involved. The importance of many of these men in the history of Liberia cannot be overstated. In fact, back in grade school, I always thought they included Jehudi Ashmun (who became the first ruler of the new African settlement), Thomas Buchanan and Robert Harper were all black people. I later learned that not only they, but also many of the names of places along the Liberian Coast, had their source in a white America: Maryland, Virginia, Greenville, Georgia, Clay-Ashland, Robert G. Harper City, Thomas Buchanan, an of course the capital of Monrovia, named after American president James Monroe.​
Among all the white men who eventually held power in Liberia, Thomas Buchanan, brother of U.S. president James Buchanan, notoriously stand out. He favored the removal of the Negroes "not only from slavery but from the visible American scene...to a faraway place selected as the circumstances of the time should render most proper, and he actually escorted some of those freed men to Liberia, where he later served as governor of Grand Bassa County. In 1847, when Professor Simon Greenleaf of Harvard University finished writing the Liberian constitution, it was Mr.Buchanan who volunteered to return to America so that he might hand-deliver the Constitution back to the colony.​
Our submission was economic as well. In 1926, the Liberian government leased 1.3 million acres of land for 99 years at six cents per acre to the Firestone Rubber Company. Later, during World War II, when the cost of raw rubber from Latin America was $2.60 a pound, the U.S. government negotiated the purchase of the entire crop of Liberian raw rubber for 26 cents a pound. In one year, the U.S. government saved 10 to 15 times more than all it's aid-in loans and grants-to the Liberian government from the year of 1847 the colony was founded up to 1945.​

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Source: Between Slavery and Freedom: Free People of Color in America From Settlement





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Source: America’s Forgotten Caste: Free Blacks in Antebellum Virginia and North Carolina






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Source: The History of Black Business in America


To learn more check out:
An African Republic: Black and White Virginians in the Making of Liberia
African-American Business Leaders and Entrepreneurs

America/Congo-Liberians aren't African-Americans, as African-Americans didn't even exist as a distinct ethnic group at the time that the "congo" class of Liberia was established. The majority of the "Congo" class in Liberia weren't even of US-born stock, but of recaptive freed slaves mostly from the Congo that were intercepted in route to be shipped on the transatlantic slave trade or were shipped as slaves to the Americas at some point in their lives, but campaigned to be returned back to Africa. That was who the American Colonization Society (ACS) mostly settled in Liberia. Many of them also came from Caribbean stock like Charles Taylor who was half native and half Caribbean(trinidad) slave stock.
Project MUSE - Liberia and the Last Slave Ships

Here's an example of so called "African-Americans" from the US who settled in Liberia and founded the colony of New Georgia.
Antelope (1802 slave ship) - Wikipedia

The "Congo" class of Liberia were hardly African-Americans in any sense of the word.
I would say they were early stage Aframs who largely never went through the full struggle(s) that materialized modern Afram identity because they bounced from the USA early in Afram history. Yes, they were free people of color but their african ancestors were forced on the boats to the USA.

This thread speaks about it in-depth.
 

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How was their identity shaped by the American experience when many of them didn't experience Reconstruction, Jim Crow, CRM? Hell, many of them didn't even experience slavery, like the first man you posted. Being dark-skinned and born here doesn't mean anything. At best you can consider them early-stage BAs, but they're not our ancestors, nor are they same as BAs during the late 1800s and 20th century.








This thread speaks about it in-depth.


It literally means everything. Because what you're doing now is moving the goal posts and still contradicting yourself. First they were mulatto's...I proved that to be false. Then you said they weren't "Really" black. I proved that to be false by posting two of presidents that are clearly black and born in the United States...Making them BLACK AMERICANS. They may not be my, or your ancestors, but they're somebodies.

See what you're doing is what black folks always do. If it doesn't meet a certain level of completely arbitrary, bullshyt "qualifiers" then they ain't black.
 

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accent don’t change the fact that you

worship largely the same
both watch the same sports if different teams
big mama cooks the same food

etc etc

don’t try to be african. we are not that different at all.
worship the same???

nikka My name actually my righteous attribute is WiseBorn I don't worship shyt. But I'd be cool with anyone who acknowledges that the Black Man is in Fact God. get crackers on the same page as that and we can be simpatico.

But fukk that so called Black Man do you Know that the Black Man is God?


I don't and never have eaten swine knowingly I don't eat the devil's poison.

How about you just say I fukk with white jesus and I'm proud to be an american where at least you know your place and like most americans unlike me you probably never lifted a finger to defend the country that you claim to love so much.
 

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Cause he a cac. He ain't fooling me.

Now do white people. Ask them the same question: Do they feel like they have more in common with Black people than they do with White people in Europe?

I know what their answer will be. Do you? :mjpls:

White people stay on code the world over and they all work together to uphold the GLOBAL system of White supremacy.

White people in the UK treat Africans the same as white people in the US treat us.

White people in South Africa treat black South Africans the same as white people in the US treat us.

The majority of white people across the planet believe that they are and should be superior to us and they help each other maintain the status quo.

Dummy.

Whiteboy @LastSecondRuger get exposed live right now:

 

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Speak for yourself, "breh". :mjpls:
:yeshrug: I never had a problem connecting with other Black people, no matter what continent they came from. And I'm an introvert. Cacs tend to find me stand-offish ( i am with them).... even c00ns fukk with me. I give off those vibes:lolbron: but I know plenty of non-c00nish Black people who are more comfortable around cacs than negroes....at least certain types of negroes.
 

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It literally means everything. Because what you're doing now is moving the goal posts and still contradicting yourself. First they were mulatto's...I proved that to be false. Then you said they weren't "Really" black. I proved that to be false by posting two of presidents that are clearly black and born in the United States...Making them BLACK AMERICANS. They may not be my, or your ancestors, but they're somebodies.

See what you're doing is what black folks always do. If it doesn't meet a certain level of completely arbitrary, bullshyt "qualifiers" then they ain't black.
Just because you lack reading comprehension doesn't mean I'm contradicting myself. I said *MANY* were mulattoes, not all. You posting black Presidents doesn't disprove that because I never said they were all mulatto to begin with. And my point was always about them being Black Americans, not just "black". Black is a race. Black American is an ethnicity.

And if you consider major checkpoints in BA history "arbitrary bullshyt qualifiers" then you have zero respect for BA history to begin with. And IF that's the case, your opinion is worthless quite frankly.

It's crazy how some people try to simplify an ethnic group's identity to the most bare/basic parameters. Do you consider Boer cacs to be "Africans" since they were born there, or do you consider other factors?
 
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