Serious topic: Why does God allow Satan/demons to roam the earth and mess with humans?

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I think we’ve misunderstood “Garden of Eden” & that story all this time. We’ve always associated it to be an Apple they ate from the tree but after a spiritual awakening this past weekend.. I don’t think that’s the case.


“So the Lord God said to the serpent: “Because you have done this, You are cursed more than all cattle, And more than every beast of the field; On your belly you shall go, And you shall eat dust All the days of your life. And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3‬:‭14‬-‭15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The bolded is key. If I’m interpreting correctly, Eve got pregnant with the Serpents seed(child). It had nothing to do with an apple or fruit. “We are born into sin” makes all the sense in the world when we think of it in that regard. Eve then brings Adam into the mix & now she’s preggers with 2 seeds hence God saying “Your seed,” still addressing the Serpent, & “her seed,” meaning Eve.

So in knowing that, first born is who? Cain(Serpents seed) which we all know is wicked & murders Abel(Adam’s seed) & he’s then banished where he goes to the Land of Nod where he already knows who his wife is..

We’re in a spiritual warfare due to this. Get right with Christ if you haven’t already.
Nah….

“And I will put enmity Between you and the woman”: hostility between them because the serpent purposely fooled/deceived Eve. Basically, they will be ops forever.

“And between your seed and her Seed”: Enmity between the serpent’s offspring meaning future snakes, and the woman’s (Eve’s) offspring meaning the human race.


“He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel”: Snakes nip/bite at our feet as we’re walking in nature, and we have to cut off their heads to kill them.
 

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Nah….

“And I will put enmity Between you and the woman”: hostility between them because the serpent purposely fooled/deceived Eve. Basically, they will be ops forever.

“And between your seed and her Seed”: Enmity between the serpent’s offspring meaning future snakes, and the woman’s (Eve’s) offspring meaning the human race.


“He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel”: Snakes nip/bite at our feet as we’re walking in nature, and we have to cut off their heads to kill them.

Respectfully, I disagree. Especially the second point.. the serpent was turned into a snake after the fact. He was a subtle beast before that. Also we’re not in a spritual battle with snakes that roam so that does not make sense to me.

The serpents offspring(Cain) did have enmity with Eve’s(Abel) thus he was banished from the land after.

Where did Cain go & how did he find his wife that bore Enoch if Adam & Eve were the only humans around at that point? :sas1:
 
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He presumably doesn't owe you an explanation and isn't accountable to you. Our intelligence is the equivalent of a plant or bacteria compared to him so we literally wouldn't be able to comprehend it even if he tried to simplify things so we could .
This right here

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I’m a firm believer in the Lord and Jesus Christ (hence my name) but lately I been wondering why does he allow Satan and his army to infiltrate earth and cause harm to humans? Why not just banish them to hell? Why keep them around? Can any other Christians help me come to grips with this?

He’s not real, breh

It’s more plausible that all of this is a simulation of sorts
 

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I think we’ve misunderstood “Garden of Eden” & that story all this time. We’ve always associated it to be an Apple they ate from the tree but after a spiritual awakening this past weekend.. I don’t think that’s the case.


“So the Lord God said to the serpent: “Because you have done this, You are cursed more than all cattle, And more than every beast of the field; On your belly you shall go, And you shall eat dust All the days of your life. And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3‬:‭14‬-‭15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The bolded is key. If I’m interpreting correctly, Eve got pregnant with the Serpents seed(child). It had nothing to do with an apple or fruit. “We are born into sin” makes all the sense in the world when we think of it in that regard. Eve then brings Adam into the mix & now she’s preggers with 2 seeds hence God saying “Your seed,” still addressing the Serpent, & “her seed,” meaning Eve.

So in knowing that, first born is who? Cain(Serpents seed) which we all know is wicked & murders Abel(Adam’s seed) & he’s then banished where he goes to the Land of Nod where he already knows who his wife is..

We’re in a spiritual warfare due to this. Get right with Christ if you haven’t already.








Respectfully, I disagree. Especially the second point.. the serpent was turned into a snake after the fact. He was a subtle beast before that. Also we’re not in a spritual battle with snakes that roam so that does not make sense to me.

The serpents offspring(Cain) did have enmity with Eve’s(Abel) thus he was banished from the land after.

Where did Cain go & how did he find his wife that bore Enoch if Adam & Eve were the only humans around at that point? :sas1:
So you think Eve had sex with a “subtle beast”, was impregnated by this non-human animal— not even a mammal, and gave birth to a fully human son, Cain?


Also- if you think that she had a kid with the non-human subtle beast “serpent”, AND a kid with Adam— BOTH CHILDREN ARE EVE’s SEED.
:deadrose: :deadrose:

For your attempt at differentiating between the children to make sense, one would have been referred to as the serpent’s seed and one would’ve been referred to as ADAM’s seed. BOTH CHILDREN BELONG TO EVE SO THEY WOULD BOTH BE “HER SEED” REGARDLESS.

:wtf:





Gotdamn now I see why some brehs just stay in Higher Learning.
 

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Respectfully, I disagree. Especially the second point.. the serpent was turned into a snake after the fact. He was a subtle beast before that. Also we’re not in a spritual battle with snakes that roam so that does not make sense to me.

The serpents offspring(Cain) did have enmity with Eve’s(Abel) thus he was banished from the land after.

Where did Cain go & how did he find his wife that bore Enoch if Adam & Eve were the only humans around at that point? :sas1:
if you consider my interpretation: that the serpent represents the tongue (or nun and lamedh....natural log....moses spied an "egyptian" smiting a hebrew...)


it purposefully puts a shield between man and woman from an unseen idea
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"one flesh" can also be interpreted as eater and eaten (beasts)

and God did say that he would bring animals to the man to see what he would name them

so "Cain" could represent the first archetype after Adam. A being that makes offerings of earth and the second being after Adam, Abel a being who offers his firstlings (could be interpreted as seed)
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if both are like serpents the visual is completely different. There are some ideas that Noah is the actual first person whereas everyone before him could have been some type of animal. Thats why the fear of Ham, Shem and Japeth would be on every living thing that left the ark

cause as far as we know animals dont read or write, or rehearse oral torah @Koichos
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if you consider my interpretation: that the serpent represents the tongue (or nun and lamedh....natural log....moses spied an "egyptian" smiting a hebrew...)


it purposefully puts a shield between man and woman from an unseen idea
DL420-Mantis-headless-male-mounts-female.gif

"one flesh" can also be interpreted as eater and eaten (beasts)

and God did say that he would bring animals to the man to see what he would name them

so "Cain" could represent the first archetype after Adam. A being that makes offerings of earth and the second being after Adam, Abel a being who offers his firstlings (could be interpreted as seed)
sex-bug-bug.gif

if both are like serpents the visual is completely different. There are some ideas that Noah is the actual first person whereas everyone before him could have been some type of animal. Thats why the fear of Ham, Shem and Japeth would be on every living thing that left the ark

cause as far as we know animals dont read or write, or rehearse oral torah @Koichos
cute-dog.gif
Ha! I had a friend growing up whose parrot, Sh'raga (Aramaic for a ‘candle’; it was born around Hanukkah), could recite the opening five words of the Mishnah: מֵאֵימָתַי קוֹרִין אֶת שְׁמַע בָּעֲרָבִית? The grandfather Z.Tz.L was always engaged in Torah-study and that’s who it picked it up from. It even had the ‘gulped’ ע `ayin and ‘emphatic’ ט ṭet down pat!
 
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“So the Lord God said to the serpent: “Because you have done this, You are cursed more than all cattle, And more than every beast of the field; On your belly you shall go, And you shall eat dust All the days of your life. And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3‬:‭14‬-‭15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The bolded is key. If I’m interpreting correctly, Eve got pregnant with the Serpents seed(child). It had nothing to do with an apple or fruit. “We are born into sin” makes all the sense in the world when we think of it in that regard.
Huh? The nahash did not father Ḳayin who, in any case, had already been born by this point.
...וְהָ֣אָדָ֔ם יָדַ֖ע אֶת־חַוָּ֣ה אִשְׁתּ֑וֹ וַתַּ֨הַר֙
Now, the adam had slept with his wife Havvah and she had fallen pregnant... (B'reshyt 4:1a)
The tense of the two verbs יׇדַע yada` and וַתַּהַר vattahar is past perfect: ‘had slept with’ and ‘had become pregnant’—these events took place before the events of chapter 3.

If the intended meaning had been that Adam slept with her and she gave birth to their two sons after having been banished from Gan `Eden, the text would have had to say:

...וַַיֵֵּ֨דַַע אָָָדָָ֥ם עוֹֹד֙ אֶֶֶת־אִִשְְׁתּ֔וֹֹ
Adam slept with his wife Havvah...
using the perfect tense וַיֵּדַע vayyeda`, as it does in verse 25.

Eve then brings Adam into the mix & now she’s preggers with 2 seeds hence God saying “Your seed,” still addressing the Serpent, & “her seed,” meaning Eve.

So in knowing that, first born is who? Cain(Serpents seed) which we all know is wicked & murders Abel(Adam’s seed)
The word used here in B'reshyt 3:15 for ‘seed’ (זֶרַע zera`) is a shem kibbutzi or ‘collective noun’ that denotes the totality of one’s descendants for all time, considered together as a group; offspring. This reading is supported by Onḳ'los’s ancient Targum (the officially recognized targum or ‘translation’ of the Torah still in use in prayer-houses today), which translates the words זַרְעֲךָ zar`acha (‘your zera`’) and זַרְעָהּ zar`aH (‘her zera`’) using the Aramaic בֵּינָךְ beinach (‘your descendants’) and בְּנָךְ b'nach (‘her descendants’).

זַרְעֲךָ zar`acha (‘your [m./sg.] zera`’) = snakes
זַרְעָהּ zar`aH (‘her [sg.] zera`’) = human beings

This word occurs a few times with reference to various women and their descendants throughout the Torah and Nach:

  1. all of Hagar’s descendants, considered together as a group, are called זַרְעֵךְ zar`ech (‘your [f./sg.] zera`’) in B'reshyt 16:10;
  2. all of Rivḳah’s descendants, again considered together as a group, are also referred to as זַרְעֵךְ zar`ech (‘your [f./sg.] zera`’) in B'reshyt 24:60; and
  3. all of an unnamed `aḳarah’s (childless woman) descendants, considered together as a group, are called זַרְעֵךְ zar`ech (‘your [f./sg.] zera`’) in Y'sha`yahu 54:3.
& he’s then banished where he goes to the Land of Nod where he already knows who his wife is..
The verb ‘to know’ (לָדַעַת lada`at) is a euphemism for sex when used in its transitive form with a person as the direct object.
וַיֵּ֤דַע קַ֨יִן֙ אֶת־אִשְׁתּ֔וֹ
Ḳayin slept with his wife... (B'reshyt 4:17)
This is the same verb that occurs in verse 25 above.

Also we’re not in a spritual battle with snakes that roam so that does not make sense to me.
The passage explains why it is that Man has an innate abhorrence of snakes.

Where did Cain go & how did he find his wife that bore Enoch if Adam & Eve were the only humans around at that point? :sas1:
Why should no other humans have existed? The text in B'reshyt 1:27b says זָכָ֥ר וּנְקֵבָ֖ה בָּרָ֥א אֹתָֽם ‘...He created them males and females’ and B'reshyt 5:2b says similarly זָכָ֥ר וּנְקֵבָ֖ה בְּרָאָ֑ם ‘Males and females He created them...’ which means that there were in fact other humans; otherwise, Ḳayin’s last four words of B'reshyt 4:14 (וְהָיָ֥ה כׇל־מֹֽצְאִ֖י יַֽהַרְגֵֽנִי ‘it will be that anyone who finds me will kill me’) would make no sense at all.
 
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i don't have a problem with hoping there's a heaven, following jesus' example, etc, but at the end of the day, it's like goddamn

how can you look at human history, with two thousand different gods being worshipped, and not connect the pattern that it's just humanity's hope that there's something up there? if 1 religion is true, then the other 2,000 were all fake and made up. so it's exceedingly likely that all 2001 were made up :mjlol:
 

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Huh? The nahash did not father Ḳayin who, in any case, had already been born by this point.

The tense of the two verbs יׇדַע yada` and וַתַּהַר vattahar is past perfect: ‘had slept with’ and ‘had become pregnant’—these events took place before the events of chapter 3.

If the intended meaning had been that Adam slept with her and she gave birth to their two sons after having been banished from Gan `Eden, the text would have had to say:

using the perfect tense וַיֵּדַע vayyeda`, as it does in verse 25.


The word used here in B'reshyt 3:15 for ‘seed’ (זֶרַע zera`) is a shem kibbutzi or ‘collective noun’ that denotes the totality of one’s descendants for all time, considered together as a group; offspring. This reading is supported by Onḳ'los’s ancient Targum (the officially recognized targum or ‘translation’ of the Torah still in use in prayer-houses today), which translates the words זַרְעֲךָ zar`acha (‘your zera`’) and זַרְעָהּ zar`aH (‘her zera`’) using the Aramaic בֵּינָךְ beinach (‘your descendants’) and בְּנָךְ b'nach (‘her descendants’).

זַרְעֲךָ zar`acha (‘your [m./sg.] zera`’) = snakes
זַרְעָהּ zar`aH (‘her [sg.] zera`’) = human beings

This word occurs a few times with reference to various women and their descendants throughout the Torah and Nach:

  1. all of Hagar’s descendants, considered together as a group, are called זַרְעֵךְ zar`ech (‘your [f./sg.] zera`’) in B'reshyt 16:10;
  2. all of Rivḳah’s descendants, again considered together as a group, are also referred to as זַרְעֵךְ zar`ech (‘your [f./sg.] zera`’) in B'reshyt 24:60; and
  3. all of an unnamed `aḳarah’s (childless woman) descendants, considered together as a group, are called זַרְעֵךְ zar`ech (‘your [f./sg.] zera`’) in Y'sha`yahu 54:3.

The verb ‘to know’ (לָדַעַת lada`at) is a euphemism for sex when used in its transitive form with a person as the direct object.

This is the same verb that occurs in verse 25 above.


The passage explains why it is that Man has an innate abhorrence of snakes.


Why should no other humans have existed? The text in B'reshyt 1:27b says זָכָ֥ר וּנְקֵבָ֖ה בָּרָ֥א אֹתָֽם ‘...He created them males and females’ and B'reshyt 5:2b says similarly זָכָ֥ר וּנְקֵבָ֖ה בְּרָאָ֑ם ‘Males and females He created them...’ which means that there were in fact other humans; otherwise, Ḳayin’s last four words of B'reshyt 4:14 (וְהָיָ֥ה כׇל־מֹֽצְאִ֖י יַֽהַרְגֵֽנִי ‘it will be that anyone who finds me will kill me’) would make no sense at all.
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i don't have a problem with hoping there's a heaven, following jesus' example, etc, but at the end of the day, it's like goddamn

how can you look at human history, with two thousand different gods being worshipped, and not connect the pattern that it's just humanity's hope that there's something up there? if 1 religion is true, then the other 2,000 were all fake and made up. so it's exceedingly likely that all 2001 were made up :mjlol:
other cultures do not have the same definition of "deity" or "God"

so when you say "2000" were made up etc its mainly because you are looking at it from different interpretations of a term.

IE in hinduism there is monotheistic sects and polytheistic because the "terms" in hindi are the "deities"

so Shiva (Great God) and Vishnu (preserver) could mean the same being but in text form appear as two.

Thats why they depict Shivas wife as either dead (Sita) or on fire (Parvati) as a reference to the fact its really just Shiva's energy being sensed as female.

In a round about way i just explained how hinduism or rather eastern beliefs operate

compared to Judaism and Christianity or Islam this idea isnt the same. God himself is not manipulated by his own name

thats why it was easy for him to pull his people out of Egypt who used names to manipulate their own deities creating a causation problem (in ancient myths the greek "deities" became animals when they fled typhon and went to Egypt....is a play on words literally)

as soon as the egyptians looked at the animals as god(s) a certain confusion entered that is still not completely comprehended
 
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