Serious Question: What exactly does Lebron do BETTER right now than Penny Hardaway did offensively?

[IllmaticDelta]

Watching Lebron tonight (and this entire series) reminded me of this thread

Penny > Lebron and it ain't even close. Especially scoring.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Lebron still needed KYRIE to win it for him

 

[The_Third_Man]

Lebron still needed KYRIE to win it for him

Penny couldn't win it with Shaq

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Lebron still needed KYRIE to win it for him

jordan still needed pippen

bird still needed mcchale

magic still needed worthy


etc...

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[DoubleClutch]

Penny couldn't win it with Shaq

Penny was the better player at the time.

SHAQ wasn't saving penny in the finals.

Let's be honest, without Kyries scoing Cavs wouldve lost bad.

Lebron had a nice all around game the entire series. Yea he shot great Two games but still struggled overall scoring. That's where Kyrie came in.

 

[Draje]

Lebron still needed KYRIE to win it for him

So if Lebron didn't play, the Cavs would have won? The Cavs didn't need every point and rebound that Lebron had?

 

[DoubleClutch]

So if Lebron didn't play, the Cavs would have won? The Cavs didn't need every point and rebound that Lebron had?

im just saying, Lebron needs Kyries scoring. Kyrie was big these finals. Bigger than any teammate Curry had.

but this is about Penny and Lebron. Pennys jumpshot is better. Pennys postgame is better. Pennys handles/iso create off dribble skills are better. Penny finished just as good at the rim. Penny was just as good of a passer. But everywhere else Lebron is better.

 

[SadimirPutin]

I see some peak ignorance was spouted in this thread

but the self ether always burns the stomach lining so I know this summer gonna be tough for yall....

 

[ISO]

 

[Draje]

im just saying, Lebron needs Kyries scoring. Kyrie was big these finals. Bigger than any teammate Curry had.

but this is about Penny and Lebron. Pennys jumpshot is better. Pennys postgame is better. Pennys handles/iso create off dribble skills are better. Penny finished just as good at the rim. Penny was just as good of a passer. But everywhere else Lebron is better.

Except no. Lebron is a much better and stronger finisher, a better passer, and a more consistently dominant overall scorer.

Penny's game being prettier and his better shooting doesn't really matter when Lebron has multiple seasons where he's shown to be a more effective scorer. What you're arguing us as stupid as saying Brook Lopez or Pau Gasol are more skilled scorers than Prime Shaq because they have better jump shots and use a lot more counters/fakes to get the ball in the basket despite the stats

Penny needed Shaq's everything to even get to the Finals and he couldn't even get it done. Again, WHO IMPACTED THE GAME MORE? Take Lebron off the Cavs, is Kyrie even in a position to get to game 7 or do they get swept?

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Except no. Lebron is a much better and stronger finisher, a better passer, and a more consistently dominant overall scorer.

Penny's game being prettier and his better shooting doesn't really matter when Lebron has multiple seasons where he's shown to be a more effective scorer. What you're arguing us as stupid as saying Brook Lopez or Pau Gasol are more skilled scorers than Prime Shaq because they have better jump shots and use a lot more counters/fakes to get the ball in the basket despite the stats

Penny needed Shaq's everything to even get to the Finals and he couldn't even get it done. Again, WHO IMPACTED THE GAME MORE? Take Lebron off the Cavs, is Kyrie even in a position to get to game 7 or do they get swept?

take LeBron off the cavs and they are in the lottery

 

[Juggalo Fred]

Lebron still needed KYRIE to win it for him

So who lead the series in scoring, rebounds, assists and dominating defensive plays?

 

[DoubleClutch]

Except no. Lebron is a much better and stronger finisher, a better passer, and a more consistently dominant overall scorer.

Penny's game being prettier and his better shooting doesn't really matter when Lebron has multiple seasons where he's shown to be a more effective scorer. What you're arguing us as stupid as saying Brook Lopez or Pau Gasol are more skilled scorers than Prime Shaq because they have better jump shots and use a lot more counters/fakes to get the ball in the basket despite the stats

Penny needed Shaq's everything to even get to the Finals and he couldn't even get it done. Again, WHO IMPACTED THE GAME MORE? Take Lebron off the Cavs, is Kyrie even in a position to get to game 7 or do they get swept?

lol that's my exact point, Paul Gasol is a more skilled scorer. SHAQ is a more effective scorer. Size and athleticism often make up for skill. Shaq scored more and you could even say he's better at scoring but you can't say he was more skilled. If he was he'd have paus shot and wouldve hit free throws. Shaq would be the GOAT ALL time with Paul skill or maybe moves like Hakeem.

But pennys combination of skill and size/athleticsm is more skill based compared to Lebron being more athletic/brute force oriented. And we all know penny was almost as athletic as Lebron.

All I'm saying if Lebron had some of penny's offensive skill set he'd be a better player and nobody on this forum would disagree.

AND Penny was known for being a passer comparable to magic so.....

 

[Draje]

lol that's my exact point, Paul Gasol is a more skilled scorer. SHAQ is a more effective scorer. Size and athleticism often make up for skill. Shaq scored more and you could even say he's better at scoring but you can't say he was more skilled. If he was he'd have paus shot and wouldve hit free throws. Shaq would be the GOAT ALL time with Paul skill or maybe moves like Hakeem.

But pennys combination of skill and size/athleticsm is more skill based compared to Lebron being more athletic/brute force oriented. And we all know penny was almost as athletic as Lebron.

All I'm saying if Lebron had some of penny's offensive skill set he'd be a better player and nobody on this forum would disagree.

AND Penny was known for being a passer comparable to magic so.....

And if Penny had half of Lebron's athletic ability and durability, he'd be better too.

You keep spouting this skill vs. athletic ability like it fukking matters because Penny never impacted the game as much as Lebron did. You're talking about what he could have possibly done but he never put a season together that would be in Lebron's top ten seasons.

Lebron's impact >>> Penny's impact. Nash and CP3 are probably among the most skilled scorers of all time but would you take them over Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, etc?

Shut the fukk up with this "if Lebron had Penny's skill, he'd be better" because you can use that with any player. If Kobe had MJ's athletic ability, he'd be better. If Shaq could shoot like Curry, he'd be better. If Dwight had Hakeem's skill, he'd be better.

Who the fukk cares? Lebron has a bigger offensive impact than Penny.

 

[Supreme365]

im just saying, Lebron needs Kyries scoring. Kyrie was big these finals. Bigger than any teammate Curry had.

but this is about Penny and Lebron. Pennys jumpshot is better. Pennys postgame is better. Pennys handles/iso create off dribble skills are better. Penny finished just as good at the rim. Penny was just as good of a passer. But everywhere else Lebron is better.

Don't ever compare penny's finishing to lebrons