Serious Question: What exactly does Lebron do BETTER right now than Penny Hardaway did offensively?

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Lebron was just more athletic than anyone else in the coming out of college. But his game hasn't really evolved offensively compared to dudes like Kobe or Penny. If you crowd the paint he still struggles to score especially when his shot is off. What is he shooting from the 3 point line this post season like 15%? Both Kobe and Penny had decent mid range and post games which Lebron still doesn't have yet. Penny would routinely abuse Scottie Pippen who is known for his defense.



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Lebron was just more athletic than anyone else in the coming out of college. But his game hasn't really evolved offensively compared to dudes like Kobe or Penny. If you crowd the paint he still struggles to score especially when his shot is off. What is he shooting from the 3 point line this post season like 15%? Both Kobe and Penny had decent mid range and post games which Lebron still doesn't have yet. Penny would routinely abuse Scottie Pippen who is known for his defense.



How often does he get stopped from going into the paint though? Anybody else shooting that poorly gets bounced before the finals
 

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Penny was just as talented offensively (This has nothing to do with stats), maybe more skilled and talented overall than Lebron at a younger age.
Yeah, because when you look at the stats that assertion falls flat.

He did what Lebron did years early facing much better competition.
What did he do that Bron didn't exactly? Penny didn't get out of the 1st round w/o Shaq.

Due to injury Pennys carrer never panned out. He never reached his potential or prime in the NBA.

While he was healthy people compared Peny to Magic Johnson and Michael jordan just like Lebron.

Just like Lebron, Penny was considered to be the face and future of the NBA.

PENNY WAS REGARDED AS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA AT ONE POINT.

These Are all facts.
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HOW THEN CAN HE BE OVERRATED?:mindblown:

Nobody's saying Penny is better than Jordan or Lebron.

But why is giving a great player like Penny recognition or even comparing him to Lebron a bad thing to you Lebron fans when he was even LEBROMS favorite player growing up.:banderas:
Penny has slowly reached mythological status on this board. He was nice. 1st team all-nba his second year in the league.:salute:
And he had the potential to be an all-time great. It was also a brief down period at the guard spot during Jordan's hiatus, Dan Marjele and Dana Baros were making all-star teams.:scust:

At the end of the day Penny's prime lasted 4 years:flabbynsick:. He never scored more than 22ppg even w/o Shaq.:ld:and he was done as an elite player at 26.:to:

Bron dropped 27 7 and 7 at 20:wow:.

Bron dwarfs him in every way.:yeshrug:
 

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How often does he get stopped from going into the paint though? Anybody else shooting that poorly gets bounced before the finals

Lebron's post game consists of just overpowering smaller players for the most part. The Eastern Conference doesn't have any other dominant players on the same level as Lebron. Derrick Rose and D.Wade are always hurt and Carmelo is a loser. The league is much more watered down now than in the 90's talentwise.
 

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Yeah, because when you look at the stats that assertion falls flat.


What did he do that Bron didn't exactly? Penny didn't get out of the 1st round w/o Shaq.


:mjlol::comeon::childplease:

Penny has slowly reached mythological status on this board. He was nice. 1st team all-nba his second year in the league.:salute:
And he had the potential to be an all-time great. It was also a brief down period at the guard spot during Jordan's hiatus, Dan Marjele and Dana Baros were making all-star teams.:scust:

At the end of the day Penny's prime lasted 4 years:flabbynsick:. He never scored more than 22ppg even w/o Shaq.:ld:and he was done as an elite player at 26.:to:

Bron dropped 27 7 and 7 at 20:wow:.

Bron dwarfs him in every way.:yeshrug:


Read the thread title again. The OP is not talking about who has the better stats but who has the more well rounded game. If they both were playing pickup ball who's overall game looks better? Besides dunking Lebron's game doesn't look as smooth as Penny's.
 

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Same thing other players said about Jordan..
they said that about jordan once jordan already made a name for himself and went thru the fire. there were two types of mikes. the young mike that everyone hated because he wasnt a passing happy go lucky PG like magic, stockton, etc and he wasnt a great big man. mike made up the rules as he went along. he was the first guard team with no big to win titles like that. so you know the old heads hated him back then. they showed him how much they hated him by allowing the knicks and detroit to hack the crap out of him every time they played. mostly for no calls.

Thats what mike had to go thru to prove how good he was. THEN they start giving him superstar come fly with me REF LOVE. LBJ walked into the nba getting that love. harden got it the moment he left okc like it was setup that way to make sure whatever team he went to had a superstar.
 

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Lebron's post game consists of just overpowering smaller players for the most part. The Eastern Conference doesn't have any other dominant players on the same level as Lebron. Derrick Rose and D.Wade are always hurt and Carmelo is a loser. The league is much more watered down now than in the 90's talentwise.
You mean it's more watered down than an era that added 6 teams? An extra 90 roster spots and 6 coaching staffs that otherwise wouldn't have existed? Stop caping for the 90's. The only reason people do is it was marketed in the manner it was during the infant years of modern sports coverage. It was filled with ugly basketball and lots of bad basic strategy and many many many terrible players.
 

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Read the thread title again. The OP is not talking about who has the better stats but who has the more well rounded game. If they both were playing pickup ball who's overall game looks better? Besides dunking Lebron's game doesn't look as smooth as Penny's.
The thread starter is on a figure skating point system.

"looks better."

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You mean it's more watered down than an era that added 6 teams? An extra 90 roster spots and 6 coaching staffs that otherwise wouldn't have existed? Stop caping for the 90's. The only reason people do is it was marketed in the manner it was during the infant years of modern sports coverage. It was filled with ugly basketball and lots of bad basic strategy and many many many terrible players.


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You mean it's more watered down than an era that added 6 teams? An extra 90 roster spots and 6 coaching staffs that otherwise wouldn't have existed? Stop caping for the 90's. The only reason people do is it was marketed in the manner it was during the infant years of modern sports coverage. It was filled with ugly basketball and lots of bad basic strategy and many many many terrible players.

The talent level in the 90's was off the charts compared to now. Sure you had bad teams but even the 2nd tier NBA players of that era were better ball players than what we have now. You still had some of greats from the 80's still playing along with tons of All Americans who actually stayed in college.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1342439-legends-of-the-nba-25-best-players-of-the-90s

"In what most experts and analysts call the "golden age of basketball"—the 1990s—the hardwood was graced by some amazing players. From Michael Jordan to Karl Malone to David Robinson, the 1990s brought fans some of the greatest individual and team matchups in the history of the game".
 

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The talent level in the 90's was off the charts compared to now. Sure you had bad teams but even the 2nd tier NBA players of that era were better ball players than what we have now. You still had some of greats from the 80's still playing along with tons of All Americans who actually stayed in college.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1342439-legends-of-the-nba-25-best-players-of-the-90s

"In what most experts and analysts call the "golden age of basketball"—the 1990s—the hardwood was graced by some amazing players. From Michael Jordan to Karl Malone to David Robinson, the 1990s brought fans some of the greatest individual and team matchups in the history of the game".
Talent level was spread out and offset by trash being able to find work due to expansion.

It was a huge drop off from the 80s.
 

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You mean it's more watered down than an era that added 6 teams? An extra 90 roster spots and 6 coaching staffs that otherwise wouldn't have existed? Stop caping for the 90's. The only reason people do is it was marketed in the manner it was during the infant years of modern sports coverage. It was filled with ugly basketball and lots of bad basic strategy and many many many terrible players.
it was some very ugly hoop out east. for sure. notice something. the eastern conf is even worse now. all those losing teams in the playoffs. just because today they have manufactured stars with bogus foul calls making sure every one with a quick pg and a scoring mentality can put up the numbers. just to impress their fanbase.
 

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PENNY WAS REGARDED AS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA AT ONE POINT.

This never happened.

He was certainly in the conversation... but he was never regarded as the best player in basketball. Even the year he showed out when Jordan was away... Prime Dream, D-Rob, Young dominant Shaq.

Penny was all NBA 1st team two years... came in 3rd for mvp voting once... he had a good run, but he was never the league's MJ or Lebron... he was at best a version of say... James Harden. A really great player... not the best.
 

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Talent level was spread out and offset by trash being able to find work due to expansion.

It was a huge drop off from the 80s.

I'm talking about the starters on most of those 90's squads not the journey men. I consider all these guys to be 90's players.

Dominique Wilkins
Dan Majerle
Mookie Blaylock
Vin Baker
Glen Rice
Derrick Coleman
Latrell Sprewell
Chris Mullin
Joe Dumars
Tim Hardaway
Kevin Johnson
Grant Hill
Penny Hardaway
Mitch Richmond
Gary Payton
Dennis Rodman
Alonzo Mourning
Reggie Miller
Dikembe Mutombo
Shawn Kemp
Patrick Ewing
Clyde Drexler
John Stockton
Charles Barkley
Shaquille O'Neal
Scottie Pippen
Karl Malone
David Robinson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Larry Johnson
Chris Webber
 
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